God’s Plan for Man. Create for the best possible end, --- or

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God’s Plan for Man. Create for the best possible end, — or the worst?

Said of Jesus. He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

Christian dogma says that in the beginning there was only God and that all that is has emanated from his perfect essence and only exists by his perfect will. Including all talking clay.

Those of the Abrahamic faiths, Christians and Muslims, would have us believe that things are really evil and bad here on earth and we will all pay hell when the Big God Guy comes back to collect his due. This goes against a policy of create for the best possible end. So would the creation of an immoral and basically useless hell.

In terms of a creator God and his plan for what he creates, — what has to be, — if God is a creator worthy of that title. — is that he would create for the best possible end.

The Old Gnostic Christians and Jews saw a best possible end in Eden but the Christians who won the religion wars turned that happy ending into the fall that most of the West has bought into. Rome won the West through religious wars. Links on demand.

Could it be that God created man with a worst possible end in mind? Is that why we were created to basically be slaves to him?

Do you think God’s and man’s universe is going in a best possible end or a worst possible end? Are things going well at the present time in your view or are they doing poorly?

If God is not creating perfectly as Christian dogma states, then God is a failure as a creator for the best possible end. That would include the best possible end for the percentage of human souls lost to the lake of fire. God may have planned a wide busy road to hell and a slow, mostly empty road to heaven. Insanity that from a creator POV.

Did your God plan for the best end and are we on that road, — or are we all, — almost all, on the road to hell?

Did the old Gnostic Christians and Jews have it right and things here, as scriptures indicate must be, — are perfect?

He is the Rock, his work is perfect:

Candid.

"It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.”

Regards
DL

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A christian or a non christian both can say anything they want.
They can say the craziest crap about God and the universe and anything else.
You are again referring to the things you dislike about some christian ideas.
But is your OP a new argument? What value are you adding to the forum?

We are all at different ever changing levels of virtue and knowledge. It is bound to happen that some christians and also some atheists get it all wrong.
If you don’t like irrationality, just say so.

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We will both know what the O P will bring after it runs its course.

And yes. I dislike both irrationality and the immorality that Christianity has become.

Regards
DL

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it’s nice to know there are still people out there that can look directly into the mind of God.

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This O P calls for an analysis of reality and not really of a God.

Regards
DL

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I think a direct follower of jesus’ ways would be either a vet, a doctor, a social worker, a charity worker, a teacher of sciences, philosophy or arts, etc.
Gospel style stuff. Why bother helping all the sinners if they are going to hell?
It takes a special type of person to follow in jesus’ footsteps.

Jesus was basically a humanitarian, mixed with a lot of other things.

When a hateful person is born into a christian faith, they begin to hate the do-nots list guys. But they would have hated something else if it wasn’t that. Maybe in a different way, but personality creates beliefs and selection.

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Excessive naivety and extreme prejudice.

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Depending on the Jesus you know, he may not be worthy of you.

youtube.com/watch?v=j4QXOgVf … r_embedded

I do not like the Jesus Rome built. He is a government ass kisser instead of the Jewish freedom fighter.

I like this one. He is much more like the Gnostic and Jewish Jesus.

youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesf … r_embedded

Regards
DL

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Then I guess that you have your work cut out in working on your character.

I see you have no argument and have settled for a God who created garbage instead of perfection.

Regards
DL

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I think not.
I do not see any evidence of ‘reality’ in any thing you say.