God Will Most Surely Die!

[JennyHeart]

Now, for an apparently inexplicable twist.

Why do you think God is immortal (let alone eternal)? (And, for the sheer fun and challenge of it, no polly-parroting allowed on this one, thumpers. )

If God gave us the power to die, then, since God has no lacking of abilities and must, logically, first possess the power to die in order to give it to us, then, considering that we do indeed die, God must be able to do the same – God must be able to die.

And, if God is able to die, well then, he someday most certainly will die, as regarding death, if one has that ability, then one will most certainly execute that ability sooner or later, at least one – including God – will so execute one’s ability to die if we, in evidence of God’s handiwork of being created in God’s image, are any without-exception example.

Thus, God is just very old … unfathomably old from our E=MC^2ed brain’s ability to fathom … and he will most likely die trillions of years in the “future”, or whenever cosmologists predict.

So, when God dies, what will become of him?

Continuing our logical analysis stemming from the premise that God created us in his image …

… It follows that God will either become just spirit and remain so … if that’s what you think happens to us … or it follows that God will reincarnate back into E=MC^2ed land just like we do … if that’s what you think happens to us.

So … which is it?

Was the Big Bang God’s one and only? …

… Or will God be Big-Bang-reborn again?!

Truly, since we, in our limited existence, aren’t aware of God ever having died before, we simply don’t know God’s after-death fate … just like we are truly oblivious to our own after-death fate!

Regardless, the power to die is a huge superpower!

Whatever made you think that God couldn’t die? I mean, just because God’s big and old and has many years left in him beyond our comprehension, giving us the illusion that he will live (virtually) “forever”, that doesn’t mean that he too won’t someday die.

Everything and everyone eventually dies, and there is no evidence to the contrary.

Indeed, logically speaking, God will most certainly die!

And … you better hope that God’s death isn’t completely and permanently … as we simply can’t exist without God, in any form … and, considering the lack of substantial evidence, unsubstantiated hope is indeed all you’ve got in the matter at the moment … and no matter how comforting that hope may be in its poppyishly flowery prose, it remains unsubstantiated nevertheless, and quite contrary to observation, observation that everything and everyone dies – completely and permanently – without exception!

All the more reason to live well now, because, considering the eye-witness evidence, as with God, this is truly our one and only shot at life as well.

[yopele]

@JennyHeart

And, if God is able to die, well then, he someday most certainly will die, as regarding death, if one has that ability, then one will most certainly execute that ability sooner or later, at least one – including God – will so execute one’s ability to die if we, in evidence of God’s handiwork of being created in God’s image, are any without-exception example.

Isn’t that sweet, “the I can’t beat the Atheists, so I’ll attack the Christians again - after I lost the first time.”.

All I can say is that I am glad you Christians are more tolerant of imbeciles than I am.

[JennyHeart]

@yopele

@JennyHeart

And, if God is able to die, well then, he someday most certainly will die, as regarding death, if one has that ability, then one will most certainly execute that ability sooner or later, at least one – including God – will so execute one’s ability to die if we, in evidence of God’s handiwork of being created in God’s image, are any without-exception example.

Isn’t that sweet, “the I can’t beat the Atheists, so I’ll attack the Christians again - after I lost the first time.”.

All I can say is that I am glad you Christians are more tolerant of imbeciles than I am.

Your ODD keeps you ignorant.

Too bad it doesn’t say anything in the rules about purposely posting to derail threads, as then you would be hindered from again attempting to do so.

[yopele]

Of course, If it doesn’t conform with your view, it is ignorant.

Phhhhtts on that line of thinking.

[yopele]

Please, someone, attempt to bring this forum back into focus. I enjoyed reading the opinions of believers, but I do not enjoy reading the opinions of an inconsistent sceptic who attacks everyone who does not agree with her standard that must be established. Crap is crap and the perpetuation of it should not be permitted.

[yopele]

PLEASE!!!

A Cautionary word if nothing else.

[Dan1 (Dan~)]

@JennyHeart

Now, for an apparently inexplicable twist.

Why do you think God is immortal (let alone eternal)? (And, for the sheer fun and challenge of it, no polly-parroting allowed on this one, thumpers. )

If ‘God’ was mortal then ‘God’ would also be finite, and a finite being doesn’t exactly sound like a supriem being/force, does it?

[btrflykng9]

If God gave us the power to die, then, since God has no lacking of abilities and must, logically, first possess the power to die in order to give it to us, then, considering that we do indeed die, God must be able to do the same – God must be able to die.

Well, in a manner of speaking and for the sake of argument, He already has died–as the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost in one, when Jesus died He experienced death. That’s quite a stretch from how we experience and think about death but…

If ‘God’ was mortal then ‘God’ would also be finite, and a finite being doesn’t exactly sound like a supriem being/force, does it?

[Dan1 (Dan~)]

I would like to admit something to you, btrflykng9.

I think that whatever made the universe is probably smarter and more powerful then the higher powers which ancient Israel had written of.

I also believe that magickians existed in history which were more powerful then Jesus Christ. You’d probably not believe me unless you personally met a few who could cause things such as earthquakes and weather-control, etc.

But…

What do you think of that?

[btrflykng9]

I think there are alot of forces out there to be tampered with and I think many do–there are several cases of such things in the Bible; but I don’t think that that disproves God.

[btrflykng9]

Have you met any of these such people? Just out of curiosity, what led you to believe in magic?

[Dan1 (Dan~)]

@btrflykng9

I think there are alot of forces out there to be tampered with and I think many do–there are several cases of such things in the Bible; but I don’t think that that disproves God.

I can’t disprove the gods. Nor do I need to disprove them. I’d let them live out their subtle lives peacefully.

@btrflykng9

Have you met any of these such people?

Yes.

@btrflykng9

Just out of curiosity, what led you to believe in magic?

Reason.

[Ned_Flanders]

@JennyHeart

Now, for an apparently inexplicable twist.

Why do you think God is immortal (let alone eternal)?

1 Timothy 6:15
God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.

If God gave us the power to die, then, since God has no lacking of abilities and must, logically, first possess the power to die in order to give it to us, then, considering that we do indeed die, God must be able to do the same – God must be able to die.

Your underlying assumption is incorrect. There are a number of things that we can do that God cannot do; lie, sin, and dying being among them. Maybe if you read the bible you would actually have some semblance of understanding of Christianity.

Hebrews 6:18
18God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope offered to us may be greatly encouraged.

And, if God is able to die, well then, he someday most certainly will die, as regarding death, if one has that ability, then one will most certainly execute that ability sooner or later, at least one – including God – will so execute one’s ability to die if we, in evidence of God’s handiwork of being created in God’s image, are any without-exception example.

Thus, God is just very old … unfathomably old from our E=MC^2ed brain’s ability to fathom … and he will most likely die trillions of years in the “future”, or whenever cosmologists predict.

Spurious conclusion based on a wrong assumption. Come to think of it, that pretty much sums up most of what you say, doesn’t it Jenny?

Whatever made you think that God couldn’t die?

Eh, …because he said so.

Everything and everyone eventually dies, and there is no evidence to the contrary.

Indeed, logically speaking, God will most certainly die!

If I make the assumption that you are a halibut, then it logically follows that you are slimy and can breathe underwater. Indeed, logically speaking you will most certainly swim around in water for the rest of your life! Glad we took the time to sort that one out logically!

[JennyHeart]

@Dan~

@JennyHeart

Now, for an apparently inexplicable twist.

Why do you think God is immortal (let alone eternal)? (And, for the sheer fun and challenge of it, no polly-parroting allowed on this one, thumpers. )

If ‘God’ was mortal then ‘God’ would also be finite, and a finite being doesn’t exactly sound like a supriem being/force, does it?

Good point.

So if God never dies, does that mean God lacks the power to die or simply chooses not to ues it?

[JennyHeart]

@btrflykng9

If God gave us the power to die, then, since God has no lacking of abilities and must, logically, first possess the power to die in order to give it to us, then, considering that we do indeed die, God must be able to do the same – God must be able to die.

Well, in a manner of speaking and for the sake of argument, He already has died–as the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost in one, when Jesus died He experienced death. That’s quite a stretch from how we experience and think about death but…

I find it interesting that 'man must make “God” in his own image to mentalize an imagination of a closer relationship with God that simply cannot occur in the mind that so imagines. It’s much like the jilted lover who ends up lost in a fantasy world where he is still with her when in reality they are far apart, he being jilted because he couldn’t leave his loveless mind and journey to his heart where he could truly be in relationship with her, his heart, where love eminates and is received, a wonderous joyful experience that simply cannot happen in the mind, especially a mind lost in a fantasy world … .

Oh well … .

But all the Jesus fantasy does is help 'man fantasize to cope with the terror of experiencing the reality of our mortality to an exacerbative degree and at too young an age.

Those who utilize the Jesus fantasy of religion do so as one would use any drug and they do so because they are afraid to die, and for no other reason.

But fantasy is not reality, so the truth of the matter is that God never died, either in the religious fantasy manner of the Jesus fantasy or in the true sense of dying and being dead to our knowledge.

So, staying with the truth and leaving fantasy behind, will God die for real one day?

If God will die then what does that mean for existence when God is truly dead?

If God will not die, then how do you reconcile that fact that all “lesser” life that we know of – including us – does indeed die?

[JennyHeart]

@Ned Flanders

@JennyHeart

Now, for an apparently inexplicable twist.

Why do you think God is immortal (let alone eternal)?

1 Timothy 6:15
God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.

C’mon, Ned – no Bible thumping. I requested from the get-go that thumpers refrain from acting out their addiction.

See if you can set your drug down for just a little bit and be sober and real.

You can do it – I know you can.

@Ned Flanders

If God gave us the power to die, then, since God has no lacking of abilities and must, logically, first possess the power to die in order to give it to us, then, considering that we do indeed die, God must be able to do the same – God must be able to die.

Your underlying assumption is incorrect. There are a number of things that we can do that God cannot do; lie, sin, and dying being among them.

Is it that God can’t … or is it that God chooses not to do so.

Can God die … or can’t he?

If God can’t die, does that mean that we who do die and forever have a power that God does not?

If God can die, and thus is all omni-powerful, does he choose not to die, or, like you and like me, he simply hasn’t died yet … and, of course, death to truly be death, is forever.

@Ned Flanders

Maybe if you read the bible you would actually have some semblance of understanding of Christianity.

Hebrews 6:18
18God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope offered to us may be greatly encouraged.

More Bible thumping.

I wonder if Christians can think for themselves at all.

@Ned Flanders

And, if God is able to die, well then, he someday most certainly will die, as regarding death, if one has that ability, then one will most certainly execute that ability sooner or later, at least one – including God – will so execute one’s ability to die if we, in evidence of God’s handiwork of being created in God’s image, are any without-exception example.

Thus, God is just very old … unfathomably old from our E=MC^2ed brain’s ability to fathom … and he will most likely die trillions of years in the “future”, or whenever cosmologists predict.

Spurious conclusion based on a wrong assumption.

Really?

Please elaborate … in your own thoughts and words.

@Ned Flanders

Come to think of it, that pretty much sums up most of what you say, doesn’t it Jenny?

Irrelevant and mostly erroneous.

It appears to bother you that I shake the cobwebs of your mind.

@Ned Flanders

Whatever made you think that God couldn’t die?

Eh, …because he said so.

Tell me about this conversation God had with you where he told you he couldn’t die … and remember, quoting that man-made book The Bible is not referencing your conversation with God.

@Ned Flanders

Everything and everyone eventually dies, and there is no evidence to the contrary.

Indeed, logically speaking, God will most certainly die!

If I make the assumption that you are a halibut, then it logically follows that you are slimy and can breathe underwater. Indeed, logically speaking you will most certainly swim around in water for the rest of your life! Glad we took the time to sort that one out logically!

But your assumption that I am a fish is erroneous, therefore the conclusion reached from your erroneous premise is illogical, and, as a matter of reality, I am not slimy and I cannot breath with gills underwater.

So you have hereby made no point with respect to reality.

Reason it out for yourself.

If you don’t think God will die then why do you think that you will?

And if God never dies, what exemplified evidence do you have that there is “life after death”?

If God didn’t demonstrate it, how do you know there is a life after death since, in reality, there is no evidence or even indication that someone has ever truly died and then come back?

And, keep in mind, that the Jesus fantasy is not an answer in reality. You can’t make stuff up and expect to fly in a discussion where reality rules, so please stay in reality and present real evidence of a life after death if that is your thought.

[Ned_Flanders]

@JennyHeart

C’mon, Ned – no Bible thumping. I requested from the get-go that thumpers refrain from acting out their addiction. See if you can set your drug down for just a little bit and be sober and real. You can do it – I know you can.

You asked why someone would think God is immortal. I provided my answer and can’t help that you don’t like it.

Is it that God can’t … or is it that God chooses not to do so. Can God die … or can’t he?

I think the distinction is irrelevant. To believe that God can do something that is against his nature would violate the nature of who he is, making him less than God. It’s a pointless hairsplitting exercise

More Bible thumping. I wonder if Christians can think for themselves at all.

If your “thinking” is a prime example of where “thinking for myself” leads, then I’d prefer to stick with the bible. In fact there are probably a few non-Christians who would rather choose the bible than agree with you.

Please elaborate … in your own thoughts and words.

Well, I thought I made it clear enough. If you first erroneously assume that God is something other than who he is, then logic will not help you at all. If God is a chocolate cupcake then obviously he’ll taste good with my morning coffee. That’s about the intelligence level of your argument so far.

It appears to bother you that I shake the cobwebs of your mind.

That’s actually quite funny coming from someone who obvioulsy has a high school understanding of theology.

Tell me about this conversation God had with you where he told you he couldn’t die … and remember, quoting that man-made book The Bible is not referencing your conversation with God.

Among many of your misunderstandings is the mistaken belief that you somehow have the right to set a framework for this discussion. You may have missed the fact that I am a Christian so I’ll tell you again, I am a Christian. I will therefore quote and refer the bible whenever I choose to do so. If you don’t like this policy, perhaps because you are not familiar with the text, then feel free to have a nice discussion about Christianity with a like-minded non-Christian. But as long as you are talking to me, I will refer to the bible. Don’t worry, I’ll try to make allowances for the fact that you are biblically illiterate.

So, to repeat myself, I know that God is immortal because it explicitly says so in the bible. Do you want me to quote the text again?

But your assumption that I am a fish is erroneous, therefore the conclusion reached from your erroneous premise is illogical, and, as a matter of reality, I am not slimy and I cannot breath with gills underwater.
So you have hereby made no point with respect to reality.
Reason it out for yourself.

Good, you actually understood the point I was making about assumptions leading to wrong conclusions. Well done! And thanks for explaining my point back to me just in case I didn’t understand it.

If you don’t think God will die then why do you think that you will?

Where did I say that I think I will? You need to stop making assumptions. I’ll be happy to address this point if you can define what you understand by the term “die”.

And if God never dies, what exemplified evidence do you have that there is “life after death”?

Who said I had evidence? Or did you just assume something again?

If God didn’t demonstrate it, how do you know there is a life after death since, in reality, there is no evidence or even indication that someone has ever truly died and then come back?

God demonstrated his authority over death when Jesus rose from the dead 2000 years ago.

And, keep in mind, that the Jesus fantasy is not an answer in reality. You can’t make stuff up and expect to fly in a discussion where reality rules, so please stay in reality and present real evidence of a life after death if that is your thought.

You need to drink less caffine. You are so busy anticipating what my answer will be that you don’t listen.

[Justly]

Indeed, logically speaking, God will most certainly die!

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I don’t know who said this: “God created man; man created God” so if man dies, his God died with him.

Are you contradicting your heart philosophy that God is. It does not say God was, is and will be. How can he die if he is?

[liquidangel]

@JennyHeart

Looking for love

You might want to try giving a little love, if you can find it in your er…heart Ms Heart.

A

[JennyHeart]

@Ned Flanders

If God didn’t demonstrate it, how do you know there is a life after death since, in reality, there is no evidence or even indication that someone has ever truly died and then come back?

God demonstrated his authority over death when Jesus rose from the dead 2000 years ago.

But that is a literature fantasy.

You can have anything the way you want it if you let fantasy rule.

But it won’t survive in the world outside human skin.

Philsoophy must be based on known reality, not fantasy, or you are blocked from further valid reasoning on the matter.

So try to eschew from thumping and instead throw your crutches away and walk this discusion on your own two feet.