God

What is god?

A bad hypothesis, and a crutch for the handicapped.

:slight_smile: =D>

Since you used a small “g”, I take it that you mean to ask, “what is a god” (rather than The God).

A god is the incontestable determiner and usually the creator of whatever it is god over.

A god of war determines exactly how the war will transpire from beginning to end. The god of love does the same for a love relationship. Each god is a principle made of all causes and effects concerning the subject.

The more famous Hebrew God (cap “G”) refers to the One Principle that is the sum of all causes for anything and everything (much the same as the “Unified Field Theory”), thus the capitalization. In Hebrew God was referred to as “Elohim”, meaning the sum of all causes ("El"s).

The argument as to whether a God exists is sort of simple in that it is asking if there is anything that determines all things. The answer is simply, “of course”, because even if nothing was determined, the fact of that would itself be determined and thus a determiner must exist in either case. If there is a determiner, that is the God. Obviously the “cause of all things” (Elohim) would be the determiner of all things (by definition of “cause”).

If a person can’t tell you what god is then all of religion is without basis, foundation, and consistency.

Religion merely becomes the worship of the absurd and irrational.

True.

I used the small “g” because I’m a atheist. I just want to know what any god is whether it be the famed Zeus on mount Olympus or that universal cosmic abrahamic god that stems from monotheism.

War is war. There is no need for a god with war in understanding war.

Why would the sum of all causes if there was one be needed worship?

If there was somthing that determined all things why would it need worship?

You seem to think there is one great singular determiner but I would say there is a multitude and of that which determines I find no real reason for their worship or idolization.

Here you elevate the concept ‘being’. (Have you heard of onto-theology, or studied your Heidegger?)

What is being? If you can’t tell me what being is, then what is your basis, foundation, or consistency?

I feel impish this morning, can’t help myself.

I have been asking myself: how do I know that this thread is not an expression of a consciousness that is God? Clearly I don’t, do I? (In fact, I believe it is.) Thus, I might contemplate on the mystical implications of bad hypotheses and crutches for the handicapped and see the face of God. Another person might just see this stepping off the edge of the world. I’ve been there before, too. :icon-rolleyes:

Now put that in your smipe and poke it. :sunglasses:

Care to explain that a bit more?

Yeah I’m going to need you to elaborate more too.

Something determines every action and the final result of the war doesn’t it? Whatever that is, no matter how you conceive of it, THAT is the real god of war.

ALL of the Greek and Roman gods were real, although certainly not humanoid ghost creatures as portrayed in entertaining stories for the ignorant masses.

The point was for their people to focus and revere the “sum of all causes” when faced with battle (or any struggle in life). You better believe the US military do the same today, more than ever. The idea of worship is not that the God needs the worship, but the people need to NOT worship nonsense and therefore by default worship (respect and revere) the reality of cause and effect.

The problem had been that many people would think, “as long as I just say these prayers and burn these items, we will win the war”. The solution was to pray to (seek of) the real situation (the cause of all things - Elohim). The warning was that if you go worshiping those other gods, Reality, the sum of all that is happening, Elohim, will kick your ass for ignoring it.

“It is what it is”
“I am that I am”
“I am that which is”

A “being” refers to an existence, the ability to affect/change something else.

God is the manifester of the universe.The universe as it were,is being breathed out of him,and again it shrinks in to him ,and again he throws it out.A most beautiful simile is given in Ved"that eternal one breathes out this universe and breathes it in."
Thank you.

What you call god I just call the universe without having any other special significance.

Yeah it’s called success and having a sound strategy. Both of which having nothing to do with a god.

Why must the reality of cause and effect be worshipped?

Oh, I’m sorry, I thought you were asking what a god is. But I see you are telling us what a god is… never mind.

Sure. For the history of philosophy/theology, God has been (mis)taken for being, which is to say either as being itself or as the supreme being which gives being to all other beings. Heidegger called this kind of theology onto-theology, and it is what you seem to be engaging in here when you say “if a person can’t tell you what god is, then all religion is without basis…”.

Basically, what you’re doing here is reducing the question of God to the question of being, or what God is, and as such revealing your own religion, where being is held in highest esteem, or in higher esteem than God, since the worth of God according to you depends on what God is.

So I ask again, what is being that we should think God in terms of it, and assign God worth according to the being that God is/has? What would God have to be to be a basis, or to bring consistency? Why can’t God provide these without having being, or without needing to be thought in these terms?

It’s a matter of choice my friend.
So are we tiny universe by ourself?
Thank you.

The universe is guided by random forces that we try to conceptualize as being unified due to our habits of wanting to explain everything and having everything fit into a category. [-X