Government Is Anti Individualism

[James_L_Walker]

All government is a monopolization on force, trade, territory, production, resources, invention, and more importantly on the lives of people.

It revolves around the hive or herd mentality.

The goal of government is to make everybody stupid and mindless in keeping them completely co-dependent on it. We might as well describe all governed societies as Stockholm syndrome in mass.

There is a reason why government triumphs socialism or collectivism in the modern world because the reality is that the entire goal is to make it be completely soul crushing to be an individual. We can find this all over the modern cultural spectrum.

The reality is that government is the enemy of individuality and individualism.

This has always been the case since it’s origins of historical inception.

The deeply individualized person of course is considered a enemy of the state because of their ability to challenge authority.

More importantly the government views a multitude of individuals coming together by common held belief to challenge it the greatest threat of them all.

The government of course does not like the individualist because it does not want to be competed against. All forms of laws, taboos, and enforced structures is merely a expression of it’s own desire in not wanting to be competed against.

Do not kill or steal because the government does not want the competition so sayeth the chronicles of it’s law.

The goal of government is to make everybody mindless co-dependent highly collectivized slaves.

This is why the culture of collectivized social uniformity is praised by the government where conformity is worshipped as a virtue because stripping all people of individuality is the end game. Next comes the ultimate goal of controlling all thoughts, minds, and emotions.

The highest ideal of government is complete eusociality like that found in other species.

Humanity reduced to thoughtless and mindless drones.

Individual identity becomes disposed for a collective one where individualized distinction becomes the new heresy.

[James_S_Saint]

Well, my first thought… and eventually my last thought on this topic was…
“Well, Duhhh!”

[James_L_Walker]

@James S Saint

Well, my first thought… and eventually my last thought on this topic was…
“Well, Duhhh!”

For those of us in the know it is a big Duh.

For others less mentally apt have a hard time wrapping around this which is why I created the thread.

[Stoic_Guardian]

Thats some good propaganda you got there.

Coopertion doesn’t require stupidity or mindlessness.

You can make as many assertions that support your world view all you want ,like you’re so quick to tell others it doesn’t make it true.

By all means make 45 more threads of pure negative conjecture, you’re on a roll…

[Moreno]

@James L Walker

All government is a monopolization on force, trade, territory, production, resources, invention, and more importantly on the lives of people.

It revolves around the hive or herd mentality.

I certainly revolves around a concept of ‘we’. Without that 'we’ness, government makes no sense.

‘We the people…’ from the Preamble to the Constitution.

Once the we is in place - generally making a country and a people - then whatever role a government has, it has in relation to that ‘we’ It binds them, is supposed to be their center.

[Duality]

@James L Walker

This is why the culture of collectivized social uniformity is praised by the government where conformity is worshipped as a virtue because stripping all people of individuality is the end game. Next comes the ultimate goal of controlling all thoughts, minds, and emotions.

Humanity reduced to thoughtless and mindless drones.

@Stoic Guardian

By all means make 45 more threads of pure negative conjecture, you’re on a roll…

If only we could be graced with such an Eye-watering bounty. [-o<

[James_S_Saint]

The whole point in creating a government or religion (the same thing these days) is to unite the people into a more effective gathering, to do what individuals wouldn’t have been able to do. The problem only comes in when that governance becomes so independent of the people who formed it so as to take on its own agenda based upon “leaders” and formulae for manipulation of the very people it was to serve. In a very real sense, the governance becomes a life entity in itself.

It has been said that God has no respect for the individual, not a totally accurate statement, but close enough.

People gather so as to accomplish what the individual could not accomplish. But to agree to such an arrangement indicates that the individual sees what it is that he needs to accomplish. And little piece by piece, he does. Thus for sake of this piece or that piece of his needs, he agrees, a society is born.

But in all the variations of need and want, who if any, have seen and agreed to the entirely of their need? Without understanding the whole, each particular is over or under-focused. Infighting breaks out as agreements are stressed and needs are exaggerated or forgotten. One individual against the many. Many against the few. Many against the many. The need of all within rises, a greater need for the gathering merely to handle the new needs caused by the struggles of the gatherings. Nations are born, born by war, in war, for sake of war. The individual loses all importance. The need of the war is supreme for sake of the needs of the individuals, the very individuals who have lost all significance save in their numbers for sake of the war against the other society, the others disregarding all but their war against the first.

So what happened? How is it that the gathering proposed to serve the individuals relents to ignore the individual as it gains its own agenda and need, its own being, foresight, and cognition? Is society to be a gathering of the living, or is it to have its own life within which the individuals are but cells of the body, insignificant save for the service to the society, the “real life”, the “important life”, above those needs of the insignificant particulates.

At what point after a society has acquired its own consciousness, can it proclaim that it should not be, that it should not have consciousness or life above those who banned together to create it? To whom does life belong, the cells, or the body, or perhaps to that ethereal consciousness itself free to disregard the entire body and all within.

From the seed of the men who knew not the whole for what they sought, society is born to seek beyond any need of those very men and yet still having too little intellect to wholly comprehend for what it truly needs as well.

Society, merely a higher wave in the turbulence and noise that life is as it seeks what it can yet comprehend yet determined to fight for the right to obtain it.

Should it end or merely continue the strife, struggle, and crushingly and selfishly blind pursuit for it knows not what?

[SIATD_v2]

@James L Walker

All government is a monopolization on force, trade, territory, production, resources, invention, and more importantly on the lives of people.

It revolves around the hive or herd mentality.

The goal of government is to make everybody stupid and mindless in keeping them completely co-dependent on it. We might as well describe all governed societies as Stockholm syndrome in mass.

There is a reason why government triumphs socialism or collectivism in the modern world because the reality is that the entire goal is to make it be completely soul crushing to be an individual. We can find this all over the modern cultural spectrum.

The reality is that government is the enemy of individuality and individualism.

This has always been the case since it’s origins of historical inception.

The deeply individualized person of course is considered a enemy of the state because of their ability to challenge authority.

More importantly the government views a multitude of individuals coming together by common held belief to challenge it the greatest threat of them all.

The government of course does not like the individualist because it does not want to be competed against. All forms of laws, taboos, and enforced structures is merely a expression of it’s own desire in not wanting to be competed against.

Do not kill or steal because the government does not want the competition so sayeth the chronicles of it’s law.

[b]The goal of government is to make everybody mindless co-dependent highly collectivized slaves.

This is why the culture of collectivized social uniformity is praised by the government where conformity is worshipped as a virtue because stripping all people of individuality is the end game. Next comes the ultimate goal of controlling all thoughts, minds, and emotions.[/b]

The highest ideal of government is complete eusociality like that found in other species.

Humanity reduced to thoughtless and mindless drones.

Individual identity becomes disposed for a collective one where individualized distinction becomes the new heresy.

I think this is all grossly simplified. Governments need the class structure, which is not one of uniformity but one of rank, hierarchy. That’s an important distinction.

For example, the government needs innovators and entrepreneurs to come up with new technologies for surveillance, manipulation and control. They need a certain degree of what you call ‘individualism’, particularly in the middle classes, in order to keep the whole structure maintained.

[uglypeoplefucking]

i agree with SIATD - individualism is as much a tool of the powers that be as anything else. most importantly, it keeps people working and spending money.

[Moreno]

@uglypeoplefucking

i agree with SIATD - individualism is as much a tool of the powers that be as anything else. most importantly, it keeps people working and spending money.

Or at least ‘the idea of individualism’. I am not sure that people being individuals, which seems to at least be part of what people are, is a tool for the powers that be. But the idea of being an individual, that can definitely be used and is used both by private power - advertising and the products themselves - and ‘public’ power in all sorts of manipulative activities - setting people against each other and against their own communal feelings and empathy.

[Duality]

@James S Saint

The whole point in creating a government or religion (the same thing these days) is to unite the people into a more effective gathering, to do what individuals wouldn’t have been able to do.

Government is simply a means of preying upon the dumb and gullible members of society, at it’s most fundamental level.

@SIATD v2

For example, the government needs innovators and entrepreneurs to come up with new technologies for surveillance, manipulation and control. They need a certain degree of what you call ‘individualism’, particularly in the middle classes, in order to keep the whole structure maintained.

Not really addressing the issue at hand in any substantive way The small percentage of the population that controls wealth and resource distribution only need innovators and creators insofar as it meets their global end-game Agenda of wealth and resource consolidation. Anything lying outside of that, is strongly opposed and viewed as a threat.

@Moreno

the idea of being an individual, that can definitely be used and is used both by private power - advertising and the products themselves - and ‘public’ power in all sorts of manipulative activities

Absolutely.

[SIATD_v2]

@Duality

@SIATD v2

For example, the government needs innovators and entrepreneurs to come up with new technologies for surveillance, manipulation and control. They need a certain degree of what you call ‘individualism’, particularly in the middle classes, in order to keep the whole structure maintained.

Not really addressing the issue at hand in any substantive way

Yes it is.

Indeed, our whole capitalist system requires individualism, or at least Darwinism, the notion that we’re all just fighting each other. Keeps us worrying about the people around us (blame the old, blame the young, blame men, blame women, blame immigrants) instead of looking at the people at the top of the hierarchy.

Individualism, or at least a certain kind of individualism, is EXTREMELY useful to the system in which we live.

The small percentage of the population that controls wealth and resource distribution only need innovators and creators insofar as it meets their global end-game Agenda of wealth and resource consolidation. Anything lying outside of that, is strongly opposed and viewed as a threat.

This isn’t true, and is equally as simplistic as the OP.

[Duality]

@SIATD v2

Indeed, our whole capitalist system requires individualism, or at least Darwinism, the notion that we’re all just fighting each other.

Not really. Because if this were true, most people wouldn’t buy into the lie and promises of Government.

People are led to believe that they benefit more within the system, and thus the dumb and gullible within society are subjugated by the malicious. Not to say that either of them are truely innocent.

@SIATD v2

The small percentage of the population that controls wealth and resource distribution only need innovators and creators insofar as it meets their global end-game Agenda of wealth and resource consolidation. Anything lying outside of that, is strongly opposed and viewed as a threat.

This isn’t true, and is equally as simplistic as the OP.

The OP wasn’t deliberately (or non-Deliberately) deceptive like your post was, wherein the OP addressed a generality - and you pointed out a
word-based contradiction, but without elaborating upon the fact that the distinction is all part of the same ultimate Agenda of wealth consolidation.

Thus individualism is not what’s relevant here - what’s relevant is the Agenda, and that individualism is one of the things that suffers as a result of the Agenda. This is what the OP was adressing.

[SIATD_v2]

@Duality

@SIATD v2

Indeed, our whole capitalist system requires individualism, or at least Darwinism, the notion that we’re all just fighting each other.

Not really. Because if this were true, most people wouldn’t buy into the lie and promises of Government.

Of course they would. Suspecting everyone around you is the primary justification for a consolidation of force, a monopoly on violence by an authority. That is the raison d’etre of the state.

People are led to believe that they benefit more within the system, and thus the dumb and gullible within society are subjugated by the malicious. Not to say that either of them are truely innocent.

Yes, they believe it is in their self-interest to go along to get along. But it is sold to them as self-interest. If it was sold as uniformity, it would be a harder sell.

@SIATD v2

The OP wasn’t deliberately (or non-Deliberately) deceptive like your post was, wherein the OP addressed a generality - and you pointed out a
word-based contradiction, but without elaborating upon the fact that the distinction is all part of the same ultimate Agenda of wealth consolidation.

I assumed the people reading would be smarter than they in fact are. My bad.

Thus individualism is not what’s relevant here - what’s relevant is the Agenda, and that individualism is one of the things that suffers as a result of the Agenda. This is what the OP was adressing.

Individualism is a crock, is basically my point. This notion that individualism is somehow what’s going to get us out of this mess, that it’s all a collectivist conspiracy against individualism, is a total delusion, put out by the John Birch Society and their cronies. It is precisely what they want us to believe, because as we become more needlessly competitive, more suspicious of each other, more isolated and atomised, more pig-headed and possessive, we become less effective at mounting a resistance to that agenda.

[uglypeoplefucking]

@SIATD v2

Individualism is a crock, is basically my point. This notion that individualism is somehow what’s going to get us out of this mess, that it’s all a collectivist conspiracy against individualism, is a total delusion, put out by the John Birch Society and their cronies. It is precisely what they want us to believe, because as we become more needlessly competitive, more suspicious of each other, more isolated and atomised, more pig-headed and possessive, we become less effective at mounting a resistance to that agenda.

applauds

[James_L_Walker]

@Stoic Guardian

Thats some good propaganda you got there.

Coopertion doesn’t require stupidity or mindlessness.

You can make as many assertions that support your world view all you want ,like you’re so quick to tell others it doesn’t make it true.

By all means make 45 more threads of pure negative conjecture, you’re on a roll…

So, what does government do for the individual?

[James_L_Walker]

@Moreno

@James L Walker

All government is a monopolization on force, trade, territory, production, resources, invention, and more importantly on the lives of people.

It revolves around the hive or herd mentality.

I certainly revolves around a concept of ‘we’. Without that 'we’ness, government makes no sense.

‘We the people…’ from the Preamble to the Constitution.

Once the we is in place - generally making a country and a people - then whatever role a government has, it has in relation to that ‘we’ It binds them, is supposed to be their center.

The “We” is a fabrication because people are always divided or indifferent towards each other.

The only thing that unites people is the violent force of government. It all revolves around motivations of violence.

Whenever violence is not used they fall back onto socio economic propaganda.

The very means government uses to control the populace is either by violence or socio economic propaganda. Same as it ever has been. Add disinformation into the mix also for the whole carrot on a stick analogy.

[James_L_Walker]

@uglypeoplefucking

i agree with SIATD - individualism is as much a tool of the powers that be as anything else. most importantly, it keeps people working and spending money.

You are thinking of collectivism because their envisionment of individualism revolves around the individual following specific social conformity. It is nothing but pretend fabricated individualism to fit within a network of social collectivism.

Genuine individualism where individuals are independent on their own in all things is becoming a rare thing in this world.

It is almost completely gone forever…

For instance the ability to think for oneself instead of having others spoon feed you what to think.

I am not saying community is not important for it has it’s place but a community that makes all individuals completely dependent on it as a higher abstract entity is a self destructive one as it strips the ability for all individuals to do a great deal of things in life for themselves.

[Duality]

@SIATD v2

I assumed the people reading would be smarter than they in fact are. My bad.

Or more delusional.

@SIATD v2

@Duality

@SIATD v2

Indeed, our whole capitalist system requires individualism, or at least Darwinism, the notion that we’re all just fighting each other.

Not really. Because if this were true, most people wouldn’t buy into the lie and promises of Government.

Of course they would. Suspecting everyone around you is the primary justification for a consolidation of force, a monopoly on violence by an authority. That is the raison d’etre of the state.

People are led to believe that they benefit more within the system, and thus the dumb and gullible within society are subjugated by the malicious. Not to say that either of them are truely innocent.

Yes, they believe it is in their self-interest to go along to get along. But it is sold to them as self-interest. If it was sold as uniformity, it would be a harder sell.

@SIATD v2

The OP wasn’t deliberately (or non-Deliberately) deceptive like your post was, wherein the OP addressed a generality - and you pointed out a
word-based contradiction, but without elaborating upon the fact that the distinction is all part of the same ultimate Agenda of wealth consolidation.

I assumed the people reading would be smarter than they in fact are. My bad.

Thus individualism is not what’s relevant here - what’s relevant is the Agenda, and that individualism is one of the things that suffers as a result of the Agenda. This is what the OP was adressing.

Individualism is a crock, is basically my point. This notion that individualism is somehow what’s going to get us out of this mess, that it’s all a collectivist conspiracy against individualism, is a total delusion, put out by the John Birch Society and their cronies. It is precisely what they want us to believe, because as we become more needlessly competitive, more suspicious of each other, more isolated and atomised, more pig-headed and possessive, we become less effective at mounting a resistance to that agenda.

All I can say is - Keep on drinking that Kool-Aid.

[Stoic_Guardian]

@James L Walker

@Stoic Guardian

Thats some good propaganda you got there.

Coopertion doesn’t require stupidity or mindlessness.

You can make as many assertions that support your world view all you want ,like you’re so quick to tell others it doesn’t make it true.

By all means make 45 more threads of pure negative conjecture, you’re on a roll…

So, what does government do for the individual?

It depends on the government and the individual, but it gives the individual with enough merit the ability to pool together resources of the state in order to accomplish feats and goals that would be impossible without the central organization of a government.

Thats just one benefit though…