Government Ownership of DNA

[Three_Times_Great]

many State governments collect DNA samples from all newborns at hospitals, warehousing and disseminating them for research. these DNA samples are considered State property. most of the time, parents have no knowledge of this, and their consent is not necessary nor even asked for.

do you really want your government building a DNA database of all citizens and their children? genetic privacy is a big issue today, but it gets ignored by media and press, and so most people dont even realise what government is doing.

cchconline.org/pr/endofgeneticprivacy.php

[Impenitent]

of course…

it’s your body when you choose to kill your fetus…

it’s the state’s body when you choose to keep your dna private…

dead liberals…

-Imp

[SavageBeast]

More and more governments are striving towards eugenicism. Anybody ever watch the movie Gattaca by chance?

But they also do this for future generations of criminal offenders so when somebody does somthing illegal they can have a national dna data on everybody where they can trace anybody anytime by trace dna evidence.

( They do this by assuming that more criminal offenders will come within time and what better way of stopping future criminal offenders than by tagging them at birth before they get older where they can actually start to do anything.)

At the end of the day it’s about control and society’s absurd goal of creating the master race with a envisionment of a more better suited future society.

(Whatever that is suppose to mean.)

( Post human tomorrow here we come.)

So we got two reasons why they are doing this:

1. Eugenicism
2. Control mechanisms.

[Three_Times_Great]

@SavageBeast

More and more governments are striving towards eugenicism. Anybody ever watch the movie Gattaca by chance?

But they also do this for future generations of criminal offenders so when somebody does somthing illegal they can have a national dna data base stored for everybody where they can trace anybody anytime by trace dna evidence.

( They do this by assuming more offenders will come with time and what better way of stopping offenders by tagging them at birth before they get older.)

At the end of the day it’s about control and society’s absurd goal of creating the master race with a envisionment of a more better suited future society.

(Whatever that is suppose to mean.)

( Post human tomorrow here we come.)

im not strictly against transhumanist conceptions of the future, mainly because i think there is a good chance that they are inevitable given the exponential-growth nature of technological progress and the eventual creation of a Technological Singularity. however, thats not to say that i am not concerned about the consequences of this (potentially) inevitable future occurance.

the best thing we can hope for is that transhuman futures will be so unpredictable that all current plans for world domination and human enslavement to a global world order or Big Brother society will be shattered by the sheer indeterministic and chaotic nature of the Singularity itself. transhumanism, while somewhat distasteful or undesirable, may nonetheless be our only long-term hope for salvation from our “masters” who currently plan for a real-life 1984.

[SavageBeast]

im not strictly against transhumanist conceptions of the future, mainly because i think there is a good chance that they are inevitable given the exponential-growth nature of technological progress and the eventual creation of a Technological Singularity.

Inevitable? Perhaps.

I agree there is little that can be done about the direction we are headed at the moment in that anything done now would be too late to do.

But even if we were to say at this point that such a future technocratic dictatorship is inevitable it doesn’t mean that I have to like it.

I think many people blindly assume that it is going to be better for us all the route we are headed.

I remain doubtful,skeptical, cynical, and very much pessimistic on the topic.

however, thats not to say that i am not concerned about the consequences of this (potentially) inevitable future occurance.

Nods. And believe me there will be consequences. ( Far reaching ones.)

the best thing we can hope for is that transhuman futures will be so unpredictable that all current plans for world domination and human enslavement to a global world order or Big Brother society will be shattered by the sheer indeterministic and chaotic nature of the Singularity itself.

Usually when one group of humans try to subject themelves on the entire world it usually fails miserably most of the time.

Infact with this grand little expiriment going on at the moment with globalism I’m actually counting on it failing miserably.

( There will be future wars, chaos, and turmoil coming ahead in the future the likes that the world has never seen.)

( It’s going to be a great spectacle.)

transhumanism, while somewhat distasteful or undesirable, may nonetheless be our only long-term hope for salvation from our “masters” who currently plan for a real-life 1984.

How exactly?

[Three_Times_Great]

@SavageBeast

im not strictly against transhumanist conceptions of the future, mainly because i think there is a good chance that they are inevitable given the exponential-growth nature of technological progress and the eventual creation of a Technological Singularity.

Inevitable? Perhaps.

But even if we were to say that at this point such a technocratic dictatorship is inevitable it doesn’t mean that I have to like it.

I think many people blindly assume that it is going to be better for us all the route we are headed.

I remain doubtful,skeptical, cynical, and very much pessimistic on the topic.

by transhumanist i dont mean “technocratic dictatorship”, i just mean the creation of the Singularity and the merging of biological and technological materials creating a new “posthuman” species from our current one.

it is certainly possible that such a world would not be a dictatorship at all.

however, thats not to say that i am not concerned about the consequences of this (potentially) inevitable future occurance.

Nods. And believe me there will be consequences. ( Far reaching ones.)

indeed. the butterfly effect.

the best thing we can hope for is that transhuman futures will be so unpredictable that all current plans for world domination and human enslavement to a global world order or Big Brother society will be shattered by the sheer indeterministic and chaotic nature of the Singularity itself.

Usually when one group of humans try to subject themelves on the entire world it usually fails miserably.

and lets hope this continues to be the case.

Infact with this grand little expiriment going on at the moment with globalism I’m actually counting on it failing miserably.

( There will be future wars, chaos, and turmoil coming ahead in the future the likes that world has never seen.)

( It’s going to be great.)

there will indeed be wars, but i dont know about it being “great”; maybe from the perspective of human history and the future of man it will be, but not for us.

transhumanism, while somewhat distasteful or undesirable, may nonetheless be our only long-term hope for salvation from our “masters” who currently plan for a real-life 1984.

How exactly?

in that the TOTAL UNPREDICTABILITY and destabilizing power of transhumanist posthuman futures would render all the careful plans for control and New World Order meaningless, in the face of the Singularity itself.

[SavageBeast]

by transhumanist i dont mean “technocratic dictatorship”, i just mean the creation of the Singularity and the merging of biological and technological materials creating a new “posthuman” species from our current one.

I honestly believe that progressivism and transhumanism centered around technology naturally leads to a technocratic dictatorship.

it is certainly possible that such a world would not be a dictatorship at all.

Well, I don’t know about that…

Either way all power is abusive and with a far reaching future society you can bet it will be abusive too.

indeed. the butterfly effect.

Yes.

and lets hope this continues to be the case.

History is the best example.

there will indeed be wars, but i dont know about it being “great”;

I think it will be great worldwide war. Consider that the goals of creating a global singular network of power require you to break down individual international governments to either non-existence or into submissive satellite states.

If you want it all there are all the other players you have to worry about especially if they catch on to what you are doing.

( Believe me other countries will catch on quickly once things go down and they’re not going to sit around while it happens either.)

maybe from the perspective of human history and the future of man it will be, but not for us.

Us in the present will probally just see the beginnings of it.

in that the TOTAL UNPREDICTABILITY and destabilizing power of transhumanist posthuman futures would render all the careful plans for control and New World Order meaningless, in the face of the Singularity itself.

It wouldn’t end there though. There is always one group throughout history that comes out of the woodwork claiming to know and have truth, purpose, or enlightenment who will always try to subjugate themselves with their views on everybody else.

It’s one of the many eternal reoccurences of history.

There will always be somebody else.

[Peter_Kropotkin]

[size=200]HELLO, IS ANYBODY HOME?[/size]

Did anybody actually read the article put up?
It was a state bill from Minnesota that was going to the house side of their legislature!

A move was made under BUSH to collect all DNA from anybody the feds arrested.

"Feds Plan to Collect DNA Samples From Everyone They Arrest
The government plans to begin collecting DNA samples from every person arrested by a federal agency, raising civil liberty questions about the potential for misuse.

FOXNews.com

WASHINGTON–
The government plans to begin collecting DNA samples from anyone arrested by a federal law enforcement agency — a move intended to prevent violent crime but which also is raising concerns about the privacy of innocent people.

Using authority granted by Congress, the government also plans to collect DNA samples from foreigners who are detained, whether they have been charged or not. The DNA would be collected through a cheek swab, Justice Department spokesman Erik Ablin said Wednesday. That would be a departure from current practice, which limits DNA collection to convicted felons.

Expanding the DNA database, known as CODIS, raises civil liberties questions about the potential for misuse of such personal information, such as family ties and genetic conditions.

Ablin said the DNA collection would be subject to the same privacy laws applied to current DNA sampling. That means none of it would be used for identifying genetic traits, diseases or disorders.

Congress gave the Justice Department the authority to expand DNA collection in two different laws passed in 2005 and 2006."

K: as this piece from Fox news. states it was passed in congress in 2005 and 2006 during the GOP regime.
So as of this moment we are dealing with a Bush/GOP lead movement to gather this DNA.
As of yet, I haven’t been able to find out if this has even been on Obama/dems radar, but
my guess is no, because of the economic meltdown.

[Three_Times_Great]

pete, whats your point?

[Peter_Kropotkin]

Three Times Great: pete, whats your point?"

K: ummm, first it was a Minnesota state bill that hadn’t pass yet.
Second, the feds already have a DNA law passed by the GOP led congress signed
by an GOP president. So clearly, as an issue that has been driven by GOP fear mongers
along the lines of the “patriot act”.

As far, as the issue goes as a freedom of body issue, I can see both good and bad uses of this.
And that is the key, how is it used?
DNA test at birth could be used to identify potential genetic issues, but I don’t see
any security value for this, but I do see medical value. If is kept as a medical matter
keeping identity and medical matter secure, as we do with any medical matters,
I don’t see a problem. If it is used to keep track of people, than yes, I have a major problem with it.

Kropotkin

[Three_Times_Great]

@Peter Kropotkin

Three Times Great: pete, whats your point?"

K: ummm, first it was a Minnesota state bill that hadn’t pass yet.
Second, the feds already have a DNA law passed by the GOP led congress signed
by an GOP president. So clearly, as an issue that has been driven by GOP fear mongers
along the lines of the “patriot act”.

yes i agree. politicians in general, on both “sides” (sides of the same coin) reject privacy rights. i dont see how this is relevant, however. government ALREADY STORES blood spots and DNA of newborns, without parent consent or even parent knowledge. whatever party is in charge while this is going on is irrelevant. i was not making an attack upon DFL. GOP sucks almost as bad (in this case, just as bad).

As far, as the issue goes as a freedom of body issue, I can see both good and bad uses of this.
And that is the key, how is it used?

no, the key is whether or not the individual consents to have their privacy violated. in the case of an infant, that responsiblity rests with the guardian, i.e. the parents. its a privacy issue, not an issue of “how its used”.