Hard Determinism VERSES Libertarianism (Free will)

First, my position on the matter is that we do not have free will. Secondly, there are so many people that believe in free will, and don’t have a good reason other than “it feels like I have free will!” Hopefully we can spread the truth about this matter.

I decided to write a short article on the matter. It is fairly technical, so its not much fun to read. (I also posted this essay on the philosophy wiki where fellow philosophers can add/edit their own philosophical content: sophiasdialectic.com/dokuwiki/doku.php )

Freedom and Moral Responsibility

There are few topics in philosophy, which are as controversial as the perennial problem of freedom. My concern is not with various theories of freedom, but with the plausibility of moral responsibility in the context of determinism, compatabilism or libertarianism. Can we really consider agents free enough to choose, and be punished for bad choices? Even if we accept libertarianism or soft determinism and their respective arguments, still, it seems, we have only hit upon entirely determined acts, or uncaused, random acts, neither of which we can be morally responsible for. In arguing that nothing entails absolute freedom, I maintain a sort of modified determinism—where an agent is considered “trivially free” (as opposed to compelled, or under the influence drugs) but not morally responsible. According to modified determinism, freedom is impossible, both in practice and concept.

In an everyday sense, when we speak of acting freely we often mean ‘doing what we want’ or acting without coercion. In other contexts, we may mean that a person is in full possession of normal adult capacities for decision making—that he or she is not under the influence of alcohol or drugs, is mentally competent, and so on. However, this is as far as the concept of freedom extends; it is merely a linguistic distinction between acting in accordance with our own desires, or being forced to conform to another’s desires. Unlike the soft determinists, however, we can still act “trivially free” without implying moral responsibility.

If we are ever to understand the complex problem of freedom and its counterpart, moral responsibility, we must begin with how it is defined in the context of these different theories. Libertarianism and determinism hold that in order for an act to be free, no amount of antecedent conditions are sufficient to guarantee a particular outcome. Libertarians also maintain that when an agent acts freely he is not acting without reasons or influences, but merely that these reasons are not wholly responsible for the action. The soft determinist position asserts that a free act is one that flows from the desires of the individual, even if the very ambitions and personality of the agent are wholly determined.

The libertarian conception of freedom has two distinct branches. The first holds that if actions are insufficiently caused, then the remaining element of a decision, which tips the outcome one way or another, is experienced as an impulse. In this context, it is plausible that multiple outcomes are possible from one set of antecedent conditions.

The second branch maintains that although an agent’s choice is caused and predictable, the will or character from which these decisions flow is uncaused and the agent is still considered free in performing the action. The main distinction is between uncaused actions, and uncaused will. Nonetheless, both of these interpretations of libertarian freedom, however plausible they may be, only allow for a kind of trivial freedom, not freedom in the sense that entails moral responsibility. For example, if I am choosing between eating a snickers bar and drinking coca-cola, multiple factors will influence my final decision. Perhaps I love the way the Carmel and chocolate mingle in my mouth as in the case of a snickers bar, but I am thirsty, so I turn to the coca-cola, and almost take a sip. But suddenly I have a craving for chocolate, and eat the snickers.

If we reversed time and allowed the process of deliberation to occur again, and the second time I decided to drink coca-cola, we could call the choice free (according to the first libertarian definition, where actions are uncaused), in virtue of the fact that the antecedent conditions did not necessarily bring about a certain conclusion. The original craving, which inspired me to eat snickers in the first place, is completely uncaused, or else it would have predisposed me to snickers again the second time. Although the inclination towards chocolate is only of partial value in my process of deliberation, the entire choice can be considered uncaused, because the impulse for chocolate was the deciding factor—without it, I would have acted differently. Subsequently, impulses or actions, which are uncontrolled and occur for no reason whatsoever, are random. Robert Kane best explains how random acts are no freer than determined ones.

An event which is undermined might occur or might not occur, given the entire past. (A determined event must occur, given the entire past.) Thus, whether or not an undetermined event actually occurs, given its past, is a matter of chance. But chance events occur spontaneously and are not under the control of anything, hence not under the control of agents. How then could they be free actions? If, for example, a choice occurred by virtue of a quantum jump or other undetermined event in one’s brain, it would seem a fluke or accident rather than a responsible choice. Undetermined events in the brain or body it seem would inhibit or interfere with out freedom, occurring spontaneously and not under our control. They would turn out to be a nuisance—or perhaps a curse, like epilepsy—rather than an enhancement of our freedom.

The second interpretation of radical freedom, by which actions are generally predictable, but the will inspiring them is uncaused, still does not imply freedom. The libertarians accept that genetics, social conditioning, and upbringing all greatly influence the will, but claim that these influences are not sufficient to guarantee a certain character. This would be comparable to rewinding life and allowing everything to unfold precisely as it had before, only to find oneself an entirely different person. Even if this version of radical freedom is plausible, we still cannot be considered free if some components of our identity are partially uncaused. If our character is arbitrary we cannot contract praise or blame for anything—after all, we never decided to act in a certain way, our character happened to us.

There is another, obscure view in libertarianism, by which the decision making process occurs in a vacuum, completely exempt from the natural laws of causation. According to this perspective, every aspect of deliberation is uncaused: when we decide, we take no considerations and have no reasons for making a particular choice. If I were deciding whether to get a GMC truck or a Toyota hybrid, and I was an environmental activist, it would seem obvious that I would prefer the Toyota hybrid. However, under this view of radical freedom, I could choose the truck, because no considerations enter into my process at all, including my environmental preference. If we were able to make decisions in this miraculous way, it would hinder our freedom, not enhance it. I could hardly think of myself as acting freely if I had no reasons for choosing one way or another.

It seems as though no conception of libertarian freedom, either imagined or real, entails freedom. However, the proponents of compatabilism have a compelling (no pun intended) argument for freedom in conjunction with determinism. To reiterate, their central claim is that an act can be considered free if it originates only from within (verses without, which is compulsion), and is consistent with the desires of the agent. This theory seems to better describe than hard determinism, what we experience as freedom, and makes a valuable distinction. However, regardless of its truth, does it really give moral responsibility a place next to freedom?

The soft determinists agree that we are entirely a product of our upbringing, cultural background, heredity etc, and that if we knew precisely all of these factors, we could predict an agents personality and desires with certainty, while still calling him free and morally responsible. I contest this—if my choices flow from a determined character, I cannot possibly be considered free. Imagine a wolf, nearly starving in the snowy Canadian tundra. He is entirely the product of instinctual predisposition, and past experiences will determine his outlook, (just as dog becomes fearful of humans after years of abuse). In the same way that the wolf is determined, so are we fixed in our volitions.

The wolf is prowling among the trees when he encounters an unsuspecting rabbit. His desire for food is strong (i.e. the conditions are right), and so he pounces, killing the rabbit. If we are soft determinists, we must hold the wolf morally responsible—for he fulfilled the compatabilist criteria—he acted according to his own desires and without coercion. Similarly, we must hold a meteorite, which crashes into Indonesia and instantly obliteration millions, responsible for genocide, just as Hitler is responsible for the destruction of six million Jews.

It is apparent that compatabilism, as well as libertarianism and determinism offer no plausible explanation of freedom. However, we cannot deny our experience of freedom, and our natural tendency to praise or blame others is inherent in human nature. There is an inexorable contradiction between the concept of causation in modern science, and our everyday perception, which undoubtedly points to freedom. Although it is of no consolation, I maintain that we are completely determined. However, I am no hard determinist—I assert that absolute freedom—the kind that entails moral responsibility, is inconceivable.

It sounds a little like you define libertarianism as a system of moral ignorance. Am I right? I believe libertarianism is more of a seperation of stereotypical expectations.

A mobile phone probably thinks that it has a choice about what number it dials.

I agree with you that most likely we are completely determined.

So let’s say you are successful in convincing everyone. Do you really believe that all morality will end and we’ll all act like we have no responsibility?

yes, indeed. why does determinism imply that we would or should or could become apathetic about life or morality? This connection is made so often, but logically it has no merit. Where does it even come from?

Kant - if we have no free will then we have no moral culpability. If were are mechanistically predetermined then all discussion of moral culpability is futile, or at least irrelevant to our actual lives.

Logically, it has a lot of merit.

Why do people think of morality as some kind of objective truth? arn’t we passed all that god nonsense? I mean morality is no more than a code of behavior… one which we use to grease the wheels of society… that’s it… Determinism or not… we are accountable for our behavior in that our PEERS will hold us accountable… whether we had a choice or not… and quite frankly… I don’t see as how those who would hold us accountable have a choice either givin determinism… so it’s a moot point at best… Our experience of “free will” is not altered by belief in determinism and therfor neither is our psychological disposition towards morality…

Morality as far as i can tell is in no way effected by the question of determinism… unless of course we are speaking of “objective” morality… as in “god’s morality”… in which case we face a whole heap of truble…

but since the whole notion of a moral god is logically inconsistent… I don’t see why we should even worry about it making sense… and just “have faith” as it were…

oh and btw for those who are religious… Omniscience + Omnipotence = immutable <=> Determinism… so much for free will… oh well…

If people are not free to will what they want to will, then it is irrational to get angry at someone for killing someone you love.

That doesn’t mean you won’t do it. But it’s irrational.

Given determinism all occurences are automatically correct and rational… and could not have been any other way… you still speak as if you getting angry is a choice… it would be like calling an egg irrational for rolling off a table and braking…

most people forget is that we CANNOT go beyond our limits… if we could… then it would hardly be any kind of limit… :stuck_out_tongue:

and in this context i mean to say that in everyday life, in our perceptions on the world we will act and think and react as if were we free willed agents… we cannot act differently… but in an objective sense It is very unlikely that we do have “free will”…

You made a fallacious inference though. Just because we are determined to do something does not make it a rational action. We can certained be determined to act irrationally, unless you have a wildly different interpretation of what rationality is than most people.

Well, you don’t attempt to do so here. What you have done, instead, is to explore the implications for moral philosophy of both libertarianism and hard determinism, not which one is best supported by reason or evidence.

But that said, I’ll approach some of the things you said in your essay.

You are using language here – “entirely determined acts, or uncaused, random acts” – which have meaning only in the context of an act being observed from without by a third party, one other than the actor. But free will, if it exists, exists only in the context of an act being experienced from within by the actor himself. We cannot observe a person’s will itself, and so if a person freely chooses (wills) an action, the cause of the outcome is the will, and since that cannot be observed, we will observe, from without, no cause.

Thus, an act which seems, from without, to be random, may be, from within, freely chosen. There is no actual conflict here, only a difference in perspective.

I agree with this.

I agree with this as well. In fact, absent this proviso (which is in accord with plain common sense), the word “freedom” would have no referent.

This would preserve the meaning of the word “freedom” in some contexts, but for purposes of the present discussion (involving moral responsibility), it is not useful.

Here I disagree. “Impulses” are themselves causes of action. For example, if one goes without food for a number of hours, one feels an impulse to eat.

The remaining element that tips the outcome is experienced, not as an impulse, but as a choice.

Yes.

I’m going to set aside the soft determinism stuff you wrote from this point, both in the interest of brevity and because it really isn’t relevant to the questions being asked.

No. Completely wrong.

It’s not the craving for chocolate that’s uncaused, but your choice to answer that craving instead of your thirst. That craving predisposed you to eat the Snickers the second time every bit as much as it did the first. What changed was not anything in the body of causative factors. What changed was your choice.

As I explained above, it’s a matter of perspective. An event cannot be chosen and random simultaneously from the same perspective,, but it can be chosen from one perspective and random from another.

What exactly IS a “quantum jump”? We know from quantum mechanics that natural processes are indeterminate. However, we do not know what that indeterminacy means, from the perspective of the processes themselves. Perhaps all of the indeterminacy we observe in the world, is actually a sequence of free cosmic choices, which, like all exertion of will, we cannot observe from the outside.

In fact, this entire matter of perspective, of the fact that acts which seem to be freely chosen, seem that way only when experienced sujectively, from within, and that consequently observations of their nature from without, objectively, have no direct bearing on the question of whether they truly are freely chosen (unless, that is, we could prove that they are mechanically determined, which would leave no room for genuine free choice – but we can’t), is the flaw which causes all of these traditional refutations of libertarianism (and forgive me, but you have broken no new ground with this essay, although it was written well) to fail.

I’m afried you might have missed my point… while actions could of course be considered “unreasonable” or “irrational” given our everyday notion of “reason” and mental faculties… given determinism such things are non-existent… you do NOT have the power to “reason”… nor any power at all… you are in fact nothing more than an automaton, reacting accorinng to preceeding events… your re/actions are never irrational… they are always exactly as determined… therfor no man is more or less reasonable than any other… at least not in an objective sense… so it becomes meaningless to state something is irrational… I simply decided that by default all occurrences are “logical”… or “rational”… as it were…

and just for the record our standard definitions of "rationality " takes libertarianism for granted…

I would agree that without free-will our epistemic values such as ‘rationality’ don’t mean much, but why do we have to have libertarian free-will (which seems very odd to me)? What’s wrong with a compatibilist account?

I don’t mean “why can’t compatibilism be true?” (though I think it is), I mean “why is libertarian free-will necessary for meaningful values, epistemic or moral”. Values require responsibility - you can get that through a compatibilist account.

You might be the first person in the history of philosophy to suggest that Determinism and Rationality are incompatible. Maybe you should write a book?

And no, our standard version of rationality does nothing of the sort. But you can feel free to ask any philosopher in the field if you don’t want to take my word for it.

I would consider myself an incompatibilist regarding free will, but a healthy skeptic regarding determinism’s role in our thinking.

Truly? I have to admit i’ve never come across anyone who handled that perticular problem… but it seems so obvious to me…

Perhaps i should write a book… hmmm…