if yes , when and what ?
no dramatic answers plz.
If you guys who never believe meta physics ,
come and state what dream you saw .
snow region .
From that question, I have to guess that you imagine “metaphysics” to be something kind of imaginatively strange from what it really is. So what is it that you are calling “meta-physics”?
Metaphysics event? I’ve had spiritual awakenings, but have not considered them metaphysical, if, by metaphysical is meant supernatural.
“Metaphysics” is all about the act of description and understanding of the natural phenomena all around us.
Metaphysics is a method concerning the examination of of world view.
Do you mean “supernatural”?
For a physical observer any experience has to be physical.
But what it means, how it is interpreted, and what lies “beside” it is metaphysical.
So I can see a cup fall off the table. The gravity of the situation is a metaphysical proposition. Previous civilisations had the idea of affinity, and there might be other explanations for it.
But the simple enough proposition ; that the phenomenon is “physical” is in itself a metaphysical proposition.
Hello Lev
The interpretation is not an experience or event that one witness. It is something that one, partly, creates. “Partly” because physical events suggests, or point toward a specific metaphysical interpretation. Every apple that we have see (a physical event) falls without exception from their trees. This gives reason the suggestion that the correct interpretation is that there is a “force” that is present universally…even those we never witness (meta-physical event). Not so much what lies “beside” it, but “behind it”.
Not really. Like perceives like. For example, the world might be a computer generated dream world which we interpret as physical reality because our brain interprets electrical signals that a computer is feeding into it. The interpretation is not physical, but everything else, the brain, the cables, prods, pod and electricity for example, all are physical. So, the brain is physically acted upon.
That said, my point is that be it a burning bush, or a voice in the sky, you have a physical brain and thus before an interpretation can be made, the even has to be register and this, because of the physical nature of the brain, requires something physical. I cannot prove this of course. God might very well circumvent physical reality and place something directly ex-nihilio, but I am of the persuasion that God does not create useless reality. If we take accounts as real, then very often God uses physical reality to manifest His meta-physical reality.
You are contradicting yourself here.
The idea that the world of experience is based on a physical reality is exactly the sort of metaphysical proposition that is questionable because we could be a brain in a vat. Not that I think this is the case.
The world MIGHT be a computer establishes the proposition of the physical world qua metaphysical.
what is happening to the brain in the vat is physical, not meta-physical. it is only the interpretation, which is not physical, or not-just-physical.
You ain’t getting what I am saying. There ain’t no vat; that’s just another idea; a possibility. Materialism, realism, and physicalism are all metaphysical propositions.
the branch of philosophy that deals with the first principles of things, including abstract concepts such as being, knowing, identity, time, and space.
The proposition that the world we understand is material, is a “first principle”; materialism is an “abstract concept” used to describe that physical world. And the idea that the world is physical is examined by metaphysics by asking how we can “know” that; what time and space is, how they interact, and make the world we perceive.
Metaphysic IMPLIES physicality it is NOT distinct from it.
Even “supernatural” means the same as “metaphysical”, which merely means as Lev stated, the abstract rules of the game rather than the game itself (the principles rather than the events).
I think, to make any sense of it, he means to ask if anyone has experienced any Magical event (“magic” meaning an inexplicable event - beyond the ability of any science to ever understand). And in that case, I would have to say, “No”, although I have experienced (and even caused) events that baffle even me; “How could that even possibly happen?!?!?”, “Where in … the … hell … did THAT … come from!!!”…
There have been many “miraculous” events that I have directly and knowingly caused, others that I have participated in, others that I have merely witnessed. But with all of those, I could discern the causal link between what is seen and what went unseen (except by those who can see such things). On the other hand, there have been events that I could not see any sensible connection at all between apparent cause and effect.
Since asked (at a time when I can actually remember one), I remember a time when far too consistently, the weather seemed to be at my will. Among many events, one of the most outstanding in my mind was one time when the wind was picking up unusually fast and hard, as though a tornado was arriving (being from Texas). I stepped outside to see what was going on. A deep chill arose from my tailbone up to my brain at which point, I uncontrollably screamed within my mind, “STOP!!”.
To my serious astonishment, instantly the very high wind stopped so suddenly that the trees across the way that had been bent far over from the wind, back-lashed from the sudden release of wind pressure and swayed a little to a straight up, unfettered position within 2 seconds. Everything stayed calm for about 30 minutes, then very slowly the wind picked up again, but not nearly so intense.
The only sense that I could ever make of that event was a momentary, inexplicable delusion. Which inexplicable scenario should I believe; that I had any influence on the weather at all, or that I suddenly, without cause, became delusional for the duration of that one event, or perhaps a very, very odd coincidence of nature behaving very oddly at the exact same moment as my command for it to do so? I chose neither and merely put it on a not too cluttered shelf. I have never required of myself to understand all things, merely to see how close to understanding I could get.
NO DRAMATIC REPLY PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
NUCLEAR FUSION AND NUCLEAR FISSION ARE SUPER NATURAL, LITERALLY.
META PHYSICS-BEYOND PHYSICS-
1 PLUS 1 =OTHER THAN 2 !!!
WHICH ASSLOE TERMED SOME THING LIKE META PHYSICS EVENT INTO SUPER NATURAL.
SUPER NATURAL IS NATURAL , BUT SUPER GIGANTIC EVENT WITH RELATION TO ACTUAL EVENT.
i KNOW QUANTUM RESULT, OTHER THAN THAT JUST IN YOUR LIFE.
HAS IT EVER HAPPENED ,THEN STATE IT.
IF NOT , JUST FUCK OFF
I suggest, after you learn something about quantum physics and English, that you take your own advice.
The proposition that the proposition that the phenomenon is physical is a metaphysical position is in itself a metametaphysical proposition 
Whenever I hear people say the word “metaphysics” in a serious tone it’s a safe giveaway that bullshit will soon follow.
Which doesn’t necessarily mean something must be above nature or beyond the physical.
Well that is your metaphysical opinion.
The point is that you know what you like to call the “physical” world through your senses, whether you are a brain in a vat - you might just as well be an non-physical essence in the ether deluded that things are physical.
I think you are getting hung up on a false dichotomy; as if “meta-” has to be distinct from something “physical”. But such is not the case.
Take the example of the “metaphysical poets”, who expressed their art to try to examine their experiences. Most of their examples are natural ones - in which they express their existential reality through the natural world of things.
If you knew any thing about the practice of metaphysical philosophy you would find a detailed examination of the proposition of ‘materialism’ that you are expressing.
What you are doing is promoting materialism without any regard for the basis upon which you assume that to be the state of things as it is.
The POINT about metaphysics is to examine your idiosyncratic notion to see how far you can get with it.
Fact is you have failed to begin to examine your awn assumptions about the world. And consequently will never understand metaphysics nor the materialism you think is so obviously true, unless you are willing to unpack your belief system.
Lev
You’re saying that my idea of the world is unverifiable. It seems real but it could be just a computer generated program. This in itself is also based on an assumption about how ideas are created, meaning as inputs in the brain.
Reality could just be the dreams of spirits in a spirit reality. Physical then becomes an assumption. The Spirit realm is also an assumption. But can the assumptions of a non physical reality be meta-physical?
Of the two assumptions only one makes sense using the current language.
Does metaphysics indicate an extension of or an abstraction of physics? Is it either or both?
What is a non-metaphyics event (metaphysical event, that is)?
Metaphysics is the branch of philosophy dealing with what is and what that what is.
Events are interpreted in different ways, via different metaphysics (and using different epistemologies) so I don’t think your question makes sense.
Such is the metaphysics of a physicalist (a specific kind of monism)
I wondered what ‘dramatic reply’ would refer to. I suppose this is a good example. LIkely, whatever you mean by metaphysical event is something I have experienced, but as said, it is not clear what this means since every event is and can be interpreted via various metaphysical systems of belief.