I think we as humans have reached the apex of our understanding. Without genetic modification, i don’t see how we’ll find new ideas.
A dog may think it’s very smart because it has a good sense of smell. Similarly, I think our mental activity can not progress any futher without modification.
That’s impossible, there are endless hypothesis’s and with every one of those we have endless correct answers.
As long as we keep making mistakes we’ll never be short of ideas. Sometimes I feel that’s the reason God made mistakes to happen in this universe. Whatever…
that’s exactly what i meant. that we are full of mistakes. it’ll take too long for “evolution” to correct us to perfect. so we should re-enginner ourselves to perfection.
Surely a panglossian would not admit we are riddled with (genetic) holes.
hum…
on the topic of perfect. please read my thread “on competition” also in the philosophy forum.
I admit you’ve got a point on evolution about survival.
But on the topic of limits, you are attacking a strawman.
In my very first post, I compared human genetics to that of a dog. A human is obviously more intelligent than a dog, due to genetic superiority. And genetic superiority is “probably” achieved through evolution. I am saying we should speed up evolution, if that’s what produces intelligence.
And by reaching the boundaries, I was not refering to science. Rather I was refering to our cognitive architecture, the brain. I said the brain has reached its reasoning limit because we are still debating century old questions. Maybe we need genetic modification to achieve advances in “reasoning power”.
And yes, I am an idealist.
If you are just going to turn my words around and then make them yours somehow then there can be no discussion with you anymore, not from my side, PERIOD! 
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what are you going on about?
why do i want to twist your words? hum. we are not talking about you here.
Here whitelotus has managed to once again make a fool of himself.
How do you know death is perfection? If impossibility implies the attainment of perfection, then since men can’t have babies, does that mean men are perfect? Since women can’t be men, does that men women are perfect? Again you have no reason. Try to use words like “maybe”, or “probably” to soften your universally mistaken argument.
Are coma patients more perfect than a philosopher?
I am not a Nazi, you facist! Since dinasours are extinct, does that mean a dog is superior to a dinasour? I was merely suggesting intelligence is linked to genetics.
A question = what it’s asking. Questions are there to be answered. Science can not answer philosophical questions. They are 2 seperate fields.
Lastly, I am also very very tired explaining the very basics. You need to get a hold of another person’s argument before you can even attempt to refute it. otherwise you’ll be attacking a strawman, as you do on many occasions.
Whitelotus, I’m having some profound issues with your arguments. First off, your assumption that immortality is perfection is, quite frankly, completely unfounded. You have included no real reason for your view, save that death occurs, and once you die, you cannot die again. I would argue that death is what makes life unique, and worthwhile. Death is the motivation for humans to further themselves and their species, because through their contributions to society they may be remembered after their death. But, all ramblings on that topic aside, you need to expand on your theory.
My second issue is your insistence that believing in genetic superiority is somehow related to Nazi thinking. Believing in genetic superiority, in case you haven’t read anything scientific in your life, has been more or less proven. Our intelligence IS tied to the complexity of our brain, which is dictated by our genetic structure. So stop name-calling, and bring an argument with you next time you try to flame someone.
Oh yeah…and for questions that science can’t answer…
Science may be able to aid somewhat in the eventual solutions to questions like these, but it cannot simply answer them. In fact, some of these questions may not be able to be answered. Fun, huh?
You may not like whitelotus style of posting but that doesn’t mean he is wrong of course.
Immortality is perfection in an evolutionary sense. That’s pretty obvious. You speak of perfection and humans that further themselves and their species. But what does this exactly mean? Do you know of an absolute standard to which progress can be measured?
The same holds for superiority. Something is superior in an evolutionary sense if its better equipped for survival. Complexity and superiority are not the same you know.
And concerning those questions, well you said it yourself, some may not be able to be answered at all. You can’t expect an answer to questions that are either not meaningful or can not be known, not from science nor from philosophy.
Whitelotus.
Please cease your blind attack on me. All my points are well defended. You are fighting a losing battle. You are attacking to lose, which is quite odd.
Socratic_Miasma explains my case very clearly.
Once again, regarding perfection. Perfection is a state in which no change is required. You may not be able to die again. But you may get reborn. lol
Man is capable of killing every single animal on this planet. Already, many spiecies are extinct.
Yes, genetics is linked to intelligence. Search the New Scientist’s archives. I read an article on it a few years ago.
There, you lost your argument.
What is perfection? When no change is required. Why is there no change required? Because everything is perfect. Why is everything perfect? Because no change is required…
haha. Whitelotus stop making a fool of yourself! You are quite good at wasting people’s time by adding idiotic insults in your reply.
an immortal is not mortal (how long did it take you to figure that out?)
“immortal reaches perfection in death”. Define perfection, immortal and death. That statement is foolish, because it has lacks reason.
genetic superiority allows complex neural system. If you don’t understand that, obviously you have a couple of thousands of genes missing. What is the difference between insect and human. Humans have more genes. I’d like to remind you, that the insects are only here due to human Grace, i.e. we chose to to drive them to extinction.
the three questions haven’t been answered. only a dumb idiot like yourself would believe in it.
yes, I am insulting you to deliever justice to those you have insulted.
haha. Whitelotus stop making a fool of yourself! You are quite good at wasting people’s time by adding idiotic insults in your reply.
an immortal is not mortal (how long did it take you to figure that out?)
“immortal reaches perfection in death”. Define perfection, immortal and death. That statement is foolish, because it has lacks reason.
genetic superiority allows complex neural system. If you don’t understand that, obviously you have a couple of thousands of genes missing. What is the difference between insect and human. Humans have more genes. I’d like to remind you, that the insects are only here due to human Grace, i.e. we chose to to drive them to extinction.
the three questions haven’t been answered. only a dumb idiot like yourself would believe in it.
yes, I am insulting you to deliever justice to those you have insulted.
haha. Whitelotus stop making a fool of yourself! You are quite good at wasting people’s time by adding idiotic insults in your reply.
an immortal is not mortal (how long did it take you to figure that out?)
“immortal reaches perfection in death”. Define perfection, immortal and death. That statement is foolish, because it has lacks reason.
genetic superiority allows complex neural system. If you don’t understand that, obviously you have a couple of thousands of genes missing. What is the difference between insect and human. Humans have more genes. I’d like to remind you, that the insects are only here due to human Grace, i.e. we chose to to drive them to extinction.
the three questions haven’t been answered. only a dumb idiot like yourself would believe in it.
yes, I am insulting you to deliever justice to those you have insulted.
well whitelotus i have to agree with the general consencus of the board that you are an idiot. we do have more genes then insects and ooo aren’t insects great they have complex social structures. well i think any sociologist, biologist or anyone with a brain will agree that humans are infinitely more complicated then insects. to populate the world and also have the power to destroy it’s own complete existence, brilliant.
on another note, who said evolution leads to perfection. what is perfection anyway? subjective/objective? pollution, global warming, animals becoming extinct due to human idiocy is part of the evolutionary process and anyone who disagrees, is stating humans are not natural, or the result of evolution.
and your proof is, mr educated!?
Just because someone can’t die doesn’t make that person perfect.
Gene for intelligence.
Why do people keep using this dammed fifty year old linear 1 to 1 causation view of such an obviously non-linear system as DNA/genes/genetics? Please read some Richard Lewontin or Barry Commoner
This is the same foolishness that the ConAgra bastards use to hoodwink the american farmer into believing that monocrop/modified seed is actually good for the world.
Intelligence does not come from genes. I, amazingly, have to agree with our resident nitwit, Whitelotus.