I was wondering why the universe/reality would require an other-world [heaven, Elysium etc] if such a thing exists, and this popped into my mind…
let us imagine that:
IF
a. consciousness is a non-physical product of life in a physical universe.
Or
b. consciousness always exists.
And that consciousness has the ability or property to perceive and >observe<, ~ as it appears to.
God’s/universe’s problem; as observing affects things, it seems implausible that there can be a universal observer ~ as that would negate individual observations and force spatial locations of quantum objects. Equally if the universe creates consciousness, then you wouldn’t want unattached observing entities i.e. dead people [consciousness without physical body] to be observing things from a non relative perspective, that is to say, disembodied conscious observation would not be relative to physical things and would duly cause similar problems [spatially locating objects which should not be, or should be manifesting relative to physical denominations – let us say.
It seems that the universe would have to create a division between non-physical and physical biased observers, and this would assumedly be required from the outset. Thus the universe would know that it would be creating consciousness’s somewhere along the line.
The best thing to achieve this is to have a mental world which is disconnected from anything physical ~ a divine plane of reality or some such thing. The divide would be very simple at base, being such that mental worlds attached to physical objects i.e. mind and body, would interact/observe other things of the same or purely physical nature. Detached minds would have no correlations to either of those prerequisites.
Bingo! Heaven and earth can exist in one reality without ever intervening or interacting with one another [except obviously when we die and become disembodied].
Both mental and physical energy are probably made of the same original substance.
However, I also believe there are walls between worlds and dimensions.
For the earth, we have an atmosphere, a magnetic sphere, etc. And that is the observable, but there are also non-observable “ozone layers”.
Just like how animals from one country shouldn’t be put into another, the walls are needed to prevent something like extinction or infestation.
The problem is that the walls, like everything else, are imperfect and finite.
I wish I could observe heaven. But so far most of the reports from people who claim to have seen heaven come from those who have bumped their head, or suffered some kind of brain injury.
That’s a bodacious claim. Do you mean I can see heaven in my imagination? Cuz I’ve never seen heaven in my dreams, and I’m a vivid dreamer. I did see myself dancing on top of a mountain, that turned out to be a mountain of shit. I was glad I wasn’t under it.
If you want to say that it is either arrgoance or any out of the world claim on my part then it is not so.
I was just saying that, being a human, you also have the capacity to see the heaven.
We all do not climb the Mount Everest, but this does not mean that we cannot do it. It is certaily under the human limit.
No, i am not talking about imagination.
Actually, Many of us (if not all) would have seen haven in our dreams but could not realize it. It is not such a big deal as we generally assume.
The real issue is it seeing it knowingly. That is certainly a big deal.
are we made up of atoms and subatomic particles? I mean we the consciousness? If the other-world was made out of particles, they would interact with those of this world [at least in the greater scheme of things] , for me its seems most logical to make that the difference!
If the dead cannot interact with nor observe the physical world [except via visualisations and visions [being purely mental representations of things [from both sides!!! [us looking at them/them looking at us]]], they cannot see it nor it them, not literally nor physically.
zinnat13
Interesting, can I read about that on-line do you know?
yes, as concerns nirvana. This concerns something in-between the world and caugant/nirvana, called the otherworld.
Heavens are many, but it’s basically the result of high consintrations of positive energy.
The automatic result is strength and love and happiness.
Heavens can form on planets and stars. They don’t need their own whole plane, they are like a higher aspect of what’s already here.
Meanwhile, nirvana is nothing without peace. Nirvana is a form of peace.
Doing good deeds for people and animals is far more important than sitting around meditating on some kind of crap.
Space = 1 body that released its origin self to create separate bodies. Space
Bodies = sound that formed from a flat plane = embodiment
There is no such thing as dimension = embodiment of sound producing the body
Layering = sound differences, total body = total sound differences.
Therefore if you remove a sound, you remove the creative total and that is how we were caste out of Heaven before as per Adam/Eve story.
What did Scientists do…they removed angelic sound and an angelic sound body Uranium, they converted its atmospheric angelic sound frequency/wavelength…Heaven began to caste out of itself (proven via UFO fallout).
Mental energy = brain function caused by organic interactions.
Physical energy what has that got to do with brain function? The brain was created in a being, not a force. Physical energy is a force that has no organic function applied because energy exists without embodiment.
Atmosphere = energy body in diaphanous form…not an embodiment either as it is contained to the condition of the body.
Energy is therefore not of the same original substance that caused matter.