Heaven

What is the appeal of heaven?

Hear me out before you answer.

What is it that makes sports fun? It is the risk of loss. The risk of losing is what makes sports fun. Or (if your cup is half full) then the chance of winning? But take away the risk of losing and sports are no longer fun. For men, it is the striving, the competition, to overcome, to master, to use their wits and skill to achieve a result and/or to avoid a negative result. But, if there is no risk involved, if the fix is in, if there is no competition, no chance that the result could go either way, then sport loses it’s fun and excitement.

If you have ever played on a competitive team or coached a competitive team that was so much better than every other team in the league that dominated season after season and won every game by a large and easy margin of victory, then you have been bored to tears. There is no joy in winning if you have no risk of loss.

So back to heaven. What is the appeal of living out existence in a risk free environment? Day after day forever of absolutely zero risk of failure or injury or being defeated or losing? I don’t see the appeal of it.

The fact that I can live day in and out without the risk of failure. Have you ever been broke man? Ever been manipulated to do work you didn’t have to but you are in such a bind with life you’ve no choice? Heaven is wonderful that your testosterone could not possible conceive such a relief. Plus your analogy with sports is terrible. Life isn’t some scrimmage that you can slap butts and go home after.

I was speaking of human nature, and it was not very charitable of you to characterize my point a locker room mentality. But yes, there may well be a gender bias in my question, although I think a lot of capable, competent women who have taken pride and self-worth from managing a home, a family, a business, etc, can also understand my point.

It is a fact that men thrive on adversity. Give a man a problem and he immediately begins to work out a solution. That is our nature. I’ve heard women complain that men, as a gender, are not good listeners because we think that women are telling us their problems because they want us to solve them. We are happiest when we are overcoming obstacles and using our intellect to solve problems and master our environment. There is something in our psyche that makes us feel useful and happy when we are fixing things. Men will break things so they can fix them. Men will take something that works perfectly well and try to improve it. We like to manage things and to put things in order. We like to supercharge things. We like to add chrome and fuel injectors and megs of memory to things. We thrive on adventure, exploration, discovery, risk taking. Take away the problems, remove the risk, answer all the questions, solve all the puzzles, and the typical man will feel pretty bored and useless. Put us in an environment where everything already is maximized and working perfectly to it’s fullest potential, where we have no obstacles to overcome, no problems to fix, where nothing ever malfunctions, and we are going to be pretty friggin miserable on the whole.

Also, my point (which you missed completely) was that risk of failure is what makes success so sweet. If everyone can do it, if it is easy and a “no-brainer”, if mediocre performers can achieve the same success as outstanding performers then there is very little risk but also the rewards are so easily gotten that they are devalued. The greater the risk the greater the reward. Take away the risk of failure and you also remove the exuberance and celebratory joy that comes from success. Take away the category of the top 1% that achieve outstanding results, and level the playing field by rewarding everyone with the same Utopian bliss, then the top one-percenter’s get down right disgusted and demotivated. It is the high risk of failure and the ability to overcome your fear of failure, and trust your ability to make a difference, to persevere when the common man quits, to do what others are unwilling and incapable of doing, that is what makes success so incredibly and enticingly wonderful to men (and women) of superior ability.

Basically, if you put mankind in a cushioned environment where there is no want unsatisfied, no disease uncured, no need unmet, no innovation not already achieved, no knowledge not already discovered, then you have taken away the very thing that has brought out the best and the finest in mankind.

Again, somebody has to explain to me the appeal of heaven because it has never appealed to me all that much. It always sounds like a wonderful place to visit, maybe mellow out for a few days, but not somewhere that men would choose to spend enternity. What the heck would we do with ourselves anyway??

Thats a good theory, but you assume that after death, human souls will continue to act just like humans. I doubt, if heaven is real that “we” would gain pleasure in the same way we do here, if we did, why don’t we just stay here. Maybe our “souls” will not gain pleasure with risk, we gain pleasure in a way beyond human comprehension.

With that said I don’t believe in Heaven

Well, a non-believer is hardly the right choice to defend the desirability of heaven, now is he? Many believers spend their lives in pursuit of heaven, or so I am led to believe. I’d like to hear from them what all the buzz is about? If Heaven is such a wonderful place then explain why, in light of my theory about mankind’s need for adversity to spark our best and finest virtues.