Theres a science to population estimates… right? Its complicated and beyond the scope of this thread, make a subject on it if you want, but don’t claim theres ‘scraps’ of evidence.
This statistical violence rate is also based on modern hunter-gatherers some of whom live under very similiar conditions.
Actually if you even remotely looked at what I said on the issue of pre-civilized cultures I did not deny that inequality existed back then as it does today but instead I merely said that the level of inequality has grown to higher level due to overcrowded population centers as civilization has moved on which is a direct result of technological innovation that creates a steady exponetial population growth indefinately.
What’s the difference between overcrowding and overpopulation? ( I’m looking at them as being the same thing.)
Exactly. That is what I’m trying to illustrate in this thread.
Precisely!
I’m not denying that the earliest of hunter gatherers were violent in their savagery but instead I’m merely stating that as the complexity of civilization increases in number population wise our savagery increases over the scarcity of natural resources that is undoubtedly created by ourselves since we live in large cluster like existences in single patches of lands which are called population centers.
Our social systems fail inevitably because they can’t adapt with overcrowded densities of people which creates more competitive violence or exploitative circumstances of extortion which in turn gives even more energy to inequality itself.
( In many cases such social systems were never designed to handle the large densities of people that we have presently.)
When you have such a large number of people where not all people can be given the same amount of natural resources or accomodations it only becomes inevitable that you will have a high number of disenfranchised individuals with crime being only a natural consequence too.
I have never articulated anything in doing with some perception that remotely even comes close to the perception of the noble savage belief.
I have only claimed that ancient peoples were less violent in that they had a over abundance of natural resources within their small bands and tribal groups.
I’m sure you have pages of politically correct institutional reformed intellectual papers on a great deal of subjects but unfortunate for you I being the heretical thinker must digress and disagree.
I can’t remember anytime in history where there existed a higher number of prisoners in captivity as there exists today all around the world in individual nations. ( Some food for thought.)
Yes, I know what you’re suggesting , we’ve had this conversation before, and based upon all unbiased statistics from modern hunter-gatherer studies, archaeology, and etc, show that they were more violent.
Every shred of evidence points in the opposite direction.
You’re an idiot if you think that saying prehistoric humans were highly violent is ‘politically correct’ infact, its anything but. Theres still a huge amount of people who think that because we ought to be peaceful, we were, and suggesting otherwise is somehow being an acomplice to it.
I’m not sure whats politically correct about saying that massive amounts of native american groups engaged in warfare in X circumstances and that very few didn’t engage in war yearly.
That was not even a response to you. And you have been shot down for a thousand times now on this board, yet you continue to make the same threads over and over again, entirely flooding the board. I think it’s you who need to learn to listen.
Although natives of the Americas might of went to engage in warfare yearly through that of skirmishes with other tribes their level of in-group fighting within their own people is nothing compared to the amount of in-group fighting of today.
Which you deserve, after showing yourself to be petty by ignoring all the evidence brought against this claim a thousand times, and still making the same statements as if you’re oblivious to it.
…having good/kind/fun people as peers or around us, is what puts us in a better place both physically and mentally: as I find that anything less is akin to being in hell, and who wants that?
