There is no hell after death…the hell we have is right here on planet earth…it is so overwhelming that i find it hard to look at reality…for starters look at the world population…we are becoming slaves and the powerful like that…
Dantes inferno a allegory of the everyday real world. 
I feel the same often enough through observation. Although it’s a religious mythological metaphor hell is nonetheless a neat one in describing the current state of things.
I once had a chance to look at a art book in which the artist had shown through art how modern society mimics Dante’s inferno perfectly. It was well illustrated and mesmerizing. I’ll see if I can find any images from it along with the title of the book. With each picture there was a quotation from Dante’s Inferno.
turtledove, do you have anyone to talk to other than your psychiatrist and us lot?
Though maybe I should ask myself the same question, since here I am, feeling concerned and patronisingly pathologising you. I apologise, but perhaps you will do me the favour of allowing me to feel concerned? You have a talent for reeling out consistently scathing critiques of the world around you, with not the slightest hint of aggression. I cannot help feel sad when somebody else seems so lost and out of control - and I do not wish sadness upon you. Perhaps you would rather stick to the topic in hand - the general discussion of the world population as slaves? - I just thought I might address concrete feelings first and abstract discussion later…
Damn I can’t find the book anywhere on the net. It was pretty illustrative though.
I remember in it the man was taking a tour through the seventh layer of hell which was a modern city in the United States to which the guide spoke of how gluttony had taken over the people in which they then went into a food buffet to which there were all these disgusting demonic looking obese people around with their plates filled up like feeding troughs. The art work was amazing.
It’s so sad that great books reach the end of their publication where they become lost forever.
The art book was compelling and genius as a interpretation of Dante’s inferno in describing modern society as the divine comedy.
thanks sil…no psychoanalyst will fix me…this is the way i come…i am gentle tho…
joker—good stuff…i am also looking for that art book…
i do want to see what others are thinking about the world…i just read the january issue of national geographic about 7 billion on earth now…
It is hell here because people do not realize that God can not be relied upon, and neither can science.
They believe, prey and calculate, but do not conceive.
Humanity may rise to a state of relative health when they stop being merely gullible pieces of meat, and adopt the philosophy of perspectivism over scienctific/religious objectivism. This is the only way in which man can determine his context according to his values, in other world, create a world in which he can live properly and die without perishing. Otherwise he will always evoke enemies, threats, instruments of hell around him - it is his own apathetic lust to be dominated that keeps him chained to his suffering.
I can not explain it in any other way but that most people want to be dominated by objective, and cruel and restricting principles, or principles that they think are objective. Why do they want this? I have no idea, I never did want it. I was always baffled by the measure in which intelligent people believe in what they are told can/cannot be true. Maybe nothing will change but I keep hoping a light will switch on in more heads at one point. A small number of people has been trying for ways to make this happen, to make people think about maybe thinking about considering to begin to think without assuming a lot of nonsensical dogmas hovering about like eager father-figures ready to adopt a child to beat into submission.
It is hard for people to come to terms with that Jakob, as then they would have nothing to cling to but the animalistic nature that man has worked so hard at ridding himself of, and that just wouldn’t do - to not rely on these… crutches is the hardest thing for anyone to do, unless we are willing to accept our true nature and not the one created by smoke-screens.
what is the true nature of us?
It really is just one more asceticism. I do believe Nietzsche to have taken up this discussion rather well in GM.
Personally, I speak from myself or from my perspective. I’m sure most of you would not want to be categorized into a group called “people”. As for thinking for others that is impossible. Now for this discussion, Hell On Earth. The original author to this thread had briefly stated something that I have been proposing for quite sometime and today, for kicks, I “googled” Hell on Earth philosophy, to see if anyone or any group has made this assertion. Surprised not to find a belief system already established as this being a tenet to their faith however this thread made it in the top ten of that search. What do I think? Here’s what I think: We are all failures in the last life and we are born into this life, Hell. There is a way out of Hell, that is to love at all cost. Where do we go upon death? Idk that’s for another discussion and individuals have been discussing that since language has been written and I assume it has always been that way here in Hell. Hell, yes. First, when a baby is born, that baby isn’t guaranteed health and happiness but rather pain and suffering. Everyone has felt pain and suffering. Not everyone escapes this reality temporarily through religious ecstasy or mind altering substances. From birth we are bound by it through maturation, through cultural assimilation, and familial ties. But, that’s not the worse, I see something more troubling than that, albeit, for some that short list is very troubling because they are inflicted with mental and physical diseases, learning disabilities, or being born in a 3rd world country or being born in the ghetto, projects, and/or generalized poverty. But yes, everyone life on this planet is faced with this one fact that far out weighs all of that. All life has to eat to maintain energy, health, and equilibrium. Eating is killing another life. We have to kill to live. Isn’t that hell enough? Isn’t that proof enough? Lastly, and yes, I could sight many more examples about this reality as being hell but I will share one more example. Healthy rational men and women throughout the ages had enlisted in a cause or were enslaved in a cause that led to War. Suffering and pain compiled on top of more suffering and pain. I’m waiting to hear a baby born laughing, then I know change is possible otherwise in death I hope that those who have loved at all cost get to experience a life of true happiness and joy without pain and suffering.
How boring it would get if there are no challenges, pain or suffering to overcome, deal with and grow from. If all is happy and good then why learn and change, evolution would not occur. I think having nothing but good would qualify as a hell.
Schizophrenic.
We evolved as a very successful and potentially happy species, but then the big brain which made us successful came up with two imaginative monkey-wrenches: self-contemplation and lust for control.
We have never been able to reconcile the ambitions of the mind with the desires of the animal. We are insane and doomed.
THat is only a limit of human biology. Rewired, one could make peace with the peace, one with the stillness.
On the other hand, the quality of life has diminished. The garden was savage, but a savage garden is still better than putting the lion in a cage.
Peace requires no evolution, peace has no drive. It is not just human it is all species of life on this planet. An easy life requires no learning of adapting, extinction tends to be the result.
Pure positive is just as deadly as pure negative.
Ill tell you what hell on earth is. Fucking everything. Watching tv shows that have a repetitive formula. Posting on ILP forums all the time. Kissing girls who dont even act like they love you. Im sick and tired of this shit. I litterally feel nauseas because my feet are cold, and Im not turning on the heat this winter. Im tired of making jokes. Shit isnt funny anymore. We are meant to suffer.
We all hit years , months or weeks of hell. Giving up is denying yourself something that makes you happy. As far as girls, what is attracting you to those types is not what you need. Stop going towards those types. Sit down , relax and think about what you need not want. Turn your heater back on, go get your favorite food and drink then kick back relax and just listen to your favorite music.
Sometimes we just need to indulge in simple things.
The utopia would have an autonomous non-sentient asteroid defense system, and evolution would be done using a DNA modification system.
I am bisexual. If there was a room full of girls I would be more open to sleep with them and very picky about the guys. That being said I have never really felt a deep love for girls. There was a man of my dreams and his name was Will. Only he rejected me. I have never gotten over it. I still love him. I will never be happy. Hedonistic pleasure like Taco Bell and music are hollow to me. I just want to suffer.
So what if you are bisexual the advice still stands just substitute female gender for type of person.
If you just want to suffer, oh well I hope you enjoy the suffering.
BTW The person you think of as the person of your dreams only resembled your true dream, the real is out there waiting for you, male or maybe female since you are bisexual. Giving up hurts you and that person.
Got no choice but to suffer. Accepting your fate is better than living in false hope. I met this hippie girl who said she loved me. I told her to call. She hasn’t since. Gotta accept my fate. Noone will ever love me.
Man of my dreams was just a figure of speech. He was the reality. He rejected me. There aint no “real” waiting out there for me. Even people about it, people who preach peace and love, don’t care about me. Gotta accept my fate, accept my suffering I was born with and didnt ask for but got anyway.
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