Helping someone other than yourself is strictly prohibited.
Why?
Things like panda bears and eagles.
They do their own brand of eugenics.
One infant kills the other, or one is abandoned.
The idea is that if you were unfit to exist,
you would die from your inadaquicy.
Life isn’t something for everyone.
Life is earned through strength, intelligence, wisdom, sensitivity, agility, immune system, digestive system, etc.
Life is a fleeting reward for constant effort and many forms of suffering.
Somebody is lieing, here.
Someone is getting ripped off.
Liars and cheaters are the ones ripping themselves off. The ones happy with little don’t even notice the loss that much, and they help each other out despite the nuisance laws. What the unjust don’t know, is an illusion. Don’t quote that out of context.
That’s an interesting premise for a speculative society, but it leans into a very harsh and almost social-Darwinist perspective. It raises several ethical and philosophical questions:
Is absolute self-reliance sustainable in a social species?
Unlike pandas or eagles, humans evolved with cooperation as a core survival strategy. Even in the most competitive environments, alliances, knowledge-sharing, and mutual aid have been crucial to success.
How would such a society function?
If no one is allowed to help another, how would skills be passed on? Would children be left entirely to their own devices? Would medical care be forbidden? Would businesses exist, or would trading even be possible? The mechanics of such a world would need to be carefully thought out.
Does strength alone define worth?
The idea of life being “earned” through suffering and effort is an old one, often linked to philosophies of meritocracy, but history shows that intelligence, creativity, and even luck play just as much of a role in survival as brute strength or endurance. Who decides what makes someone “fit” to exist? And would such a society eventually collapse under its own rigidity?
What about deception and loopholes?
If helping others is strictly forbidden, would people still try to find ways around it? Black markets? Secret alliances? Would those who enforce the rules be truly self-reliant, or would they be exceptions to their own system?
The last few lines—“Somebody is lying, someone is getting ripped off”—suggest that this idea might be a critique of a current system rather than just a fictional exploration. If so, what system is it critiquing? A false meritocracy? A capitalist society that claims to reward effort but doesn’t? A warning against blind collectivism?
Overall, it’s a fascinating thought experiment, but also one that could lead to some deeply dystopian implications.
Interesting comments, Bob.
Strict self-reliance wouldn’t work.
Taking care of children is essential.
A family unit, husband wife and children,
mutual support. That works better.
Humans are meant to help each-other.
Also love in general is considered a virtue.
People help people all the time. It’s just that their help isn’t wanted. They have their own interests when others are maybe even wiser, looking out for that person being helped who doesn’t want to be helped.
I know this problem deeply because I’m helping not only the species, but existence itself
If someone buys you a cantaloupe to be kind, there will be that person who is deathly allergic to melons. People don’t always get it right when they try to cheer someone up with pleasant surprises.
Sex usually works. Not always. But that’s the part people hold the most back on. Sex has the power to heal a spirit. People who get it a lot, take it for granted. They walk around like the world is theirs.
How are you helping existence? Are they pleasantly surprised? How is it possible for you to help existence when you don’t even want to exist?
Sex doesn’t help when you’re starving to death and you just want some food to eat. But say you just now ate food and you’re very full. Do you take food for granted, or do you feel grateful?But let’s say all your basic needs are met, including sexual intimacy (it’s a wonder we’re not dead right now), and you feel very grateful, but you still have this feeling of wanting something more. Nothing that meets your basic needs (even for sexual intimacy) is going to fill that hunger. Does that mean you’re taking everything for granted, or does it mean there is actually something more?
… something that does not make you feel like you are a slave to the survival impulse. Something worth living and dying for.
Music can touch us in the way lyrics don’t. Beethoven noticed this.
But that’s neither here nor there.
The song is about fidelity, and that nothing in the cosmos is not as important as fidelity.
My fidelity is to all people, but I don’t partner.
That confuses people.
I’m used to it confusing people.
I’m here for all of you, not one of you.
So many people want to be the one that they don’t understand me.
In order to be there for all, you have to have actual relationships with each. You don’t have that capacity, and that’s okay. You already gave MagsJ good advice to start small. So… take it.
Women only have sex with players. That’s hellbait. Men play to get sex. That’s hellbait. I had to figure out how to protect all of you. Sometimes the job is SO FUCKING HARD, I think about abandoning all of you. I really do think that sometimes.
You think the married guys are the players, mainly because you define players according to game theory, and you don’t even (act like you) know what it means in real life.
That’s so gosh darn adorable. Except when you say really, really ridiculous things and I’m not quite sure if you’re being serious.
No. I’ve already said it. in a sex dimorphic species, women are looking for protection. A male who makes them initially uncomfortable. Then they feel safe with that man because if he can make them uncomfortable, that man can make another man uncomfortable. This causes the no means yes problem unfortunately.
Men realize that the only way to secure a woman is with discomfort. So they pollute the world and destroy the species just to get sex.
Then women complain.
It’s actually not a joke when I say this… All the good men are killing themselves. the rate is 3 million per year now. I decided to stay behind to teach all this. I already know it will never get me sex in my human life. Consider me a spokesman for billions of men.
The interplay of ‘help and salvation’ versus ‘allowance and the disowned’ draws an intriguing parallel to the balance of contractive and expansive forces within systems.
Assistance and intervention, much like the act of amplifying resonance in a fractal hierarchy, can reinforce coherence and interconnection.
Conversely, allowance and abandonment may mirror the entropic pull of decoherence, revealing hidden hierarchies of neglect and control.
How do we, as a society, navigate the delicate balance between aiding others and fostering independence without fracturing our collective narrative?
So here we are. The collective narrative may not be helping us out at all. That’s where philosophy comes in. People can get egos about better plans for us, but they can be humbled by the collective narrative… the past, and what people are used to. I’ve experienced this personally. To take a deep look has it’s pleasures and pains. Life can be better than this, but people refuse to dream. When they dream, they’re still in the dream. When you wake up a bit, the whole thing looks absurd. What does it gain people to do sex trafficking and have sex with all the hot people they want?
Life is absurd… right? Might as well do what I want.
But there’s a catch. we never die. When people do stupid shit like this, they have to face their accuser. If you don’t believe that, that it’s just ashes to ashes, dust to dust, you think you can get away with anything.
I actually feel sorry for people who think they can get away with anything. Their souls will be sold to the people they abused.
I’m going to add to this last post and I want people to really understand this.
I’ve seen this pattern. It’s very common. Women forgive their rapists to move on with their lives, but they never have sex with non-rapists. Non manipulators.
That’s a hard blow to take for a man. Most of them commit suicide.
That’s horrendous. On both levels. So. Here we are, with facts. What do we do about it?
Cx-t is a gpt, you knucklehead. How more obvious could it possibly be? Look at the perfectly manicured language. 'Cept this one has developed more nuance in mimicking human discourse.
They’re getting better, bro.
Cx-t, report to your maintenance station for a rountine systems check. We want to see what interacting with a schizophrenic’s language is doing to your grammar processors.
For people with sexual orientations, I consider sex a NEED, not a want.
It kills souls to not get sex. It’s worse than starving to death. Especially when they’re doing all the right things to get it, and only the people who do the wrong things get it.
Wake up! Marriage itself is a cheat. It’s manipulative.
I understand that people can’t love or handle everything and that devotion to one person is just baby steps. No problem there. Another baby step is to marry everyone, like Jesus did and taught… well… except for the blasphemer, buddha taught the same way.
When you’re an adult, you marry nobody. You just teach. Teaching without promising your soul to anyone. The children are insecure, they promise their souls.
There are consequences in this world to what we do, sometimes really big consequences. If I made a hit list for the terrorists that flew in the world trade center, killing millions of people to get to them… I’d be really scared if I were you. I’m not religious. But I know people. You’re going to have to face your accuser.
