Hillary Lied, then lied about the lies, then lied about that

It’s pretty surreal now. First she didn’t send any classified info. When it was revealed that she sent thousands of classified things, she changed her story to ‘well it wasn’t classified until after the State Department found out I sent it, so it doesn’t count’.

She said her email server was allowed- now we know she didn’t ask, and instructed her staff not to ask or to talk about it.

She said she gave up all her non-personal emails to the FBI, now we know she didn’t.

I feel like I’m forgetting a few of the obvious lies.

Even still, I doubt she’ll be indicted- the system is a bit too corrupt right now for her to get what she deserves. But this is still only the beginning, we’ve got a series of announcements left to go.

Could be that Bernie gets his debate with Trump after all - as the last nominee standing.

I’m not sure it works that way, Bernie getting it. She will either have to stand down once charges are filed IF filed before the final vote of the Democratic convention, or be convicted (a bit too fast, you know she will delay proceedings).

I really don’t think she respects the country in the same way Nixon did, in getting out of the way ASAP so the country can carry on. She seems like a pretty selfish dead ended.

Bernie wouldn’t be the next up… he would have to “start from scratch”, and her VP pick, if she has one by then, holds a much better chance of claiming the Dem. Nomination. If not, it’s whoever the establishment can rush forward with a chance to beat Trump… which is very slim pickings right now. This means party heads vote with may by a week tops, if not much less, depending how close the November election is.

I do think charges will be filed, largely because Obama doesn’t want charges brought on him for interfering under the next congress. If Hillary gets in, great. If not, his ass is toast for fixing the race and aiding someone he had evidence of qualifying for a felony into grttingbthe white house. And to be perfectly honest, I don’t think he is too attached to Hillary. He is sticking in DC after getting out, will have a high media presence, and trump isn’t too threatening, compared to other former Republican candidates, regarding Obamacare… under Trumpc something akin to it will survive. Unlikely to survive under Clinton cause she won’t slash the budget till literally too late, when all the fees kick in… we will have to abandon everything then as a unnecessary luxury.

I know General Petraeus barely got off from avoiding a felony for merely having a few binders in a desk drawer… it nearly cost him any chance for the presidency someday (main reason they brought charges I think). He didn’t have his information stolen as far as we can tell from low skilled hackers merely guessing passwords… she did something far worst. I suspect the second charges are filed, Hillary will rush immediately for a plea bargain… or delay, but delaying until she is “president” is highly unlikely, and will get her nowhere with the portion of the Democratic Party who actually care about the law and Ethics … she won’t win. But if she does manage to get into office, don’t expect the charges to immediately end… Congress itself will resume, and will occupy most of her first, if not only year in office. Look St Brazil… they are impeaching the president on a similar time table. It won’t help her at all when further taxes on Obamacare kicks in… the middle and right across South America, usually leftist leaning, have been kicking their leadership out of office on the smallest of excuses. There comes a snapping point, we are hearing it for us.

Oh, Trump has a court case scheduled after the election too regarding the university. I honestly doubt they have a case, a college isn’t required to be accredited, and can be started by anyone. One down the street from me, similar. The Diploma Mills rhetoric is a symptom of more established universities drumming down new schools that haven’t gained the recognition yet. You can do quite good at a accredited university, and quite bad. Same goes for unaccedited. Buckminister Fuller was a genius, taught at a new, unaccrefired School. Students have a responsibility to be discerning, know what they are getting into, and ask questions, such as “do these credits transfer, and where to?” If your not asking that, then your a hard, it’s not any school’s responsibility to check and see if your aware of what your getting into. If they did, a lot of people would be talked out of college period, if the facts were laid before them.

“What kind if job can I get with a Liberal Arts degree, or History degree, or English degree?”. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha. Not much, but you can get a even more bullshit masters degree or even more laughable PHD in that shit at other schools that care to recognize us.

So it’s not just Hillary, but Trump, but Hillary is the one with a much higher chance if felony charges, and being barred from the Presidency.

I was imagining if the indictment happened like, nowish. Wouldn’t the DNC dump her off the ticket, and then choose Bernie as the guy? They aren’t gonna keep her as their nominee when she’s traded her pantsuit for an orange jumpsuit, and they aren’t going to replace her with some other guy, right? I guess they could do like they talked about doing with Trump and put in a last minute candidate.

Can a President not pardon themselves?

No, president can’t pardon himself. He can get his VP to do it though. If Congress doesn’t like the VP, the VP can be impeached, and if the public really hated the former president, someone is certain to bump him off.

Its ultimately us up to the delegates. If Bernie can’t reach the magic number, the delegates can vote for anyone in the second round, be it Al Gore or Pac Man.

They technically don’t even need a party convention. If she is convicted, say Halloween, and it is a felony, some Cabal can just rush forward and say “This Is The Democratic Candidate”. Will Bernie supporters be butthurt if it’s not him? Certainly, seems unfair, but they are a private corporation and can decide these things however. Its why I didn’t put much stock in the deep philosophical musings regarding Cruz’ eligibility to run in state conventions for party head… no real basis legally for stating someone can or can’t be running as presidential candidate, as winning party leader is equicelent to being hired as CEO of Bayer or Affleck or Google… court really doesn’t have to dig deep into legal issues, just shrug and say either it kacjs the jurisdiction or say “He seems American enough” and pass that president off to the next unfortunate judge. Had it gotten to the actual election however, would of been a disaster… your no longer running for corporate head of a non government institution, but running for head of the federal government. NY ruling, for example, says merely he is a US citizen, didn’t note the constitutional restrictions prohibited Cruz from running for office, or that other US citizens likewise are prohibited. I think it was only 34-36 pages long… clearly dodging out of that notoriety. Would of been a severe smack down had courts ruled against Cruz AFTER the party chose Cruz over Trump, because we know the party wouldn’t of easily rallied around Trump as runner up… they would of just chosen someone like Kasich. They aren’t obliged otherwise just cause you were runner up.

I’ve brought up the case if Hillary was convicted, or if Cruz was refused to be sworn in by the Supreme Court after winning the election as he isn’t qualified… in Criz’s case, it would be as if he never ran, every vote for him disqualified like a Hanging Chad. Hillary would be president, by default majority, even if she only got say, 30% of the votes counting Cruz’. Everybody would of felt cheated. Hillary can be prosecuted in court, or by Congress, doesn’t matter. I doubt Congress will prosecute Trump over Trump university, as I elsewhere noted, it’s hardly illegal. Unethical perhaps, bad for his character, but it’s been done a lot before, a good many good universities get their start exactly so. He did provide a educational enviromentc what it ultimately was worth is purely subjective. What is a master’s degree at Eton in philosophy actually worth? I’ve looked over the curriculum, I have done most of it myself by accident… didn’t drop a dime on that silly shit. Think the Democrats in Congress will have a hard time looking for a Causing Belli here, in Congress to prosecute him. Just going to look silly.

Will like to point out I’ve found no prohibitions to Cruz being on the Supreme Court in the constitution. You can apparently appoint a monkey to that office as long as it is sufficiently aged.

Ucc, are you just now starting to follow politics? I have to tell you man, I don’t see how calling a politician a liar really singles them out from the pack.

Who’s your favorite politician and I’ll google around and find the lies that they told.

I think it’s called the problem of dirty hands.

You’re just trying to smear someone who you disagree with here.

You’re better than that.

You know the entire Bush administration lied about the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq…right? Think about how much money was spent, and how much the government was expanded, and what the patriot act did to your freedoms as an individual because of that.

No they didn’t lie about it.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuwaith … rch_Center

My base in Iraq was the power plant that supplied this research facility.

View of the base, I believe overlooking the Ammo Supply Point, prior to it being built up. (Finding pics on net). The two smokestacks on the left power two towers that head out across the Euphrates to power the WMD Research Lab… absolutely no disputing this, UN recognized it as such prior to you hitting puberty. No stupid arguments and pot smoking yourself into denial with your syncophants, it simply is. The other two towers supplies electricity to two other towers, for the rest of the country. Note the different color of the pollution from the power plant stacks, and note
only two of the four are even working. The place was powered by burning chairs and goats… whatever the hell the ministry of electrity could lay their hands on… I never found any evidence of sabotage… I’ve the only soldier who ever went over every square inch of that place, and most closely engaged the workers… I had a bum knee and had been stuck doing base security one too many damn times, mist guys were scared of that place. The place was dying from natural wear and tear, one too many duct tape fixes. We ended up building a smaller natural gas plant a bit off to the right of this picture to compensate. He built the place elevated on the river, like a doughnut… inside as flat and low as the flood plane. Its why your looking down.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuwaith … rch_Center

Thats the remains of some old WMD crap, I’m guessing Nuclear, cause from what I understand, Biological and Chemical production can more or less be done in a basement with the mechanical aptitude of a boiler mechanic. It is after all a WW1 tech that even the poorest countries could create.

This is the helipad the UN Weapon Inspector Teams landed on at my base, in order to access that silly site:

That is a junkyard, from the power plant. About half of it. Green trees in the background in the Euphrates River.

As soon as they landed, literally as soon, they would of confronted a hugh industrial wasteland, surrounded by possible candidates for WMD production. Same in a few other places around base, outside the base (Iraqis love having junk and scrap placed just about anywhere, unwalled piling up, with kids playing in it.)

The plans for building nuclear weapons was found under the lawn of the apartment complex in Iskandariya where some of the WMD scientist lived. Lots of Chemical shells have been found around Iraq, which look largely neglected since the 90s. This research base had a aweful amount of C-4 in it. The troops who first took it found massive amounts of C-4, and had to push on. Next unit pulling in (either one day or three days later) found the C-4 missing. That is used to detonate not just nuked, but WMD in general. The scientists still lived nearby all the years later… that C4 laid the basis for the Triangle of Death, as the locals had high grade military explosives. This helped eventually to cause for The Surge in 2007 to be called, due to the difficulty in the area sucked troops that otherwise would of been closer to Baghdad and Falluja.

Literally anything in that country industrial scrap wise could of been used produce chemical and biological weapons. It isn’t that sophisticated of a enterprise, why even terrorists can pull off crude chlorine attacks.

WMD materials found all over Iraq. Scientists still in place, power grid of the God forsaken plant directly powered these research labs. These labs still had massive C4 stockpiles. Local scientists squirreled away nuclear data. The research base had a area the size of Delaware or Rhode Island.

These “scientist” only searched 6 weeks, then everything was dropped. It would take at least a day to swab everything in that junk yard alone if on a team, before moving on to the next sites. Who the Fuck even knows out deep in the desert. We found WMD stockpiles (old) in random spots all over the country. It costs next to nothing to hide some. This area wasn’t well search… Fuck, the road to the place had weapons such as artillery shells all along it to this base (Route Noname). It wasn’t explored beyond what you could see while driving on the road. Shit could of been anywhere. Guaranteed a lot of odd random stuff was merely by the random accidental chaos that is Iraq, even if Saddam didn’t intend it… after the collapse of authority, shit scattered and kept getting moved by people who would them die, their stockpiles grabbed by some guy with a donkey, moved to some weeds in a ditch covered with dirt… found later on by some kid playing, telling his dad and his uncle claims it, etc… complete chaos. No way in hell you can viably claim there was none, certainly not beyond a doubt as there was some, including clear intent to carry on by maintaining that WMD research facility, scientists and plans nearby, and enough C4 to trigger it all.

The question isn’t if Bush lied… he didn’t. It would s if thus was a justified Cause of War. The claims there was no WMD is mostly guided by the political necessity of the left to insist there is no evidence despite the facts. Its clear some shit was going on, and Saddam certainly didn’t help the situation by acting innocent. Its much better to ask should a country he invaded for being belligerent with WMD, and a history if using them? Especially after a major terrorist even that switched many nations international priorities to stomp out this brand of terrorism and likely nations they could seek shelter so as to continue.

Its remarkable how little we’ve explored this philosophically.

Hillary Clinton = High Tax George W. Bush

LOL

So Hilary lies when she gets in trouble. That’s something most people do, and pretty much all politicians do.

Let’s take a look at how Hilary’s competition fares in terms of telling the truth:

politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Stepping back a second i can’t help but feel like it’s kinda pathetic that the first question when one compares the two candidates for president is which is the bigger liar. But that’s pretty much the first thing that demands attention in a Trump v. Hilary contest.

When Bernie doesn’t get his deserved nomination, will the hipsters vote for their grandmother’s candidate or will they join the Trump train?
Are they ideologically committed to a their slow suicide or will they help MAGA?
Suspenseful…

I agree about Trump lying all the time, just recently an Asian conservative tweeted -

Trump falsely claims Bill Kristol wants to “go to war and kill people.” Kristol himself doesn’t fight. Silly Trump!<

All the freaking time, I tell you…

LOL

No, we are not going to excuse a major breach of our highest top secret files, much less lying about them, as okay on the basis that all people lie when cornered. She was the fucking secretary of state, in a administration rocked to the core on spy breaches. It is why the Arab Spring happened in the first damn place, assholes started posting official documents of musings of US intelligence on which countries were the most fucked up… instead of ending up in a liberal utopia, we ended up with several civil wars, the formation of terrorist states like ISIS and Al-Nursa Front, several million deas or displaced, Europe refortifying it’s frontiers, as well as Turkey and Saudi Arabia, further proxy wars in the region as a result of the Arab Spring…

You really want someone who learns from their fucking mistakes when theur mistakes cause nations to collapse. She clearly didnt give a fuck… rest of the government was going down a national security drainpipe, she continued to use ger joke security private server. And her husband was a former president… you think he woukd of brought up wuestioms as to why state department documents were floating around his server whenever he woukd go searching for his copy of Sim City on it… wouldn’t you mention this is illegal as fuck and a gross violation of national security?

Og wait… maybe both of them thought the secretary of state position was a worthless, ceremonisl one and everything she did work wise was practically public domain?

At some fucking point you gotta take responsibility, and that point was several years back… she has played this spineless game of dodging responsibility long enough. Even Obama has occasionally admitted to his mustakes, and that is tough for him to do given his walk on water ego. Hillary doesnt admit to shit.

Executives of every rank are going to occasionally fuck up. Petraeus’ saving grace was he didnt dick around and instantly folded, cooperated… he didnt get a felony because it was so minor (fuck, from the Iraq war we all had stuff after the war, paperwork out of my ass, still technically classified but long since thrown away. It is now known not to do that, Patraeus was the wakeup call).

All the spy/security scandels was her wakeup call, as well as Petraeus. She should of came clean to the FBI of her own volition, said she fucked up, how do we do damage control. I coukd trust her executive capacity to own up and salvage a bad situation by going the mature route a bit more gad she done this.

It is really bad when it appears Nixon had more moral integrity than Clinton does. Really fucking bad.

You know you’ve won when all lefties can think of is the ‘everybody does it’ defense.

Yes, I know that other people lie. The reason to point out her lies is so that people are aware of them and don’t believe her. She has been lying about this email issue, in public, to the press and the people, for over a year- so it’s worthwhile to set the story straight and establish that nothing further that comes out of her mouth on this matter should be taken at face value.

Again: Yes, she actually did break State Department guidelines. Yes, she actually did send classified documents over her server. No, she didn’t ask anybody for permission. No, she didn’t comply with FBI demands to release all her emails to them. Yes, she specifically instructed her aides not to talk about her server to avoid drawing attention to it.

If the best you got is “All lies from politicians (I like) are ok because sometimes people lie”, then you’re either a moron, or you’re pretending to be a moron (and doing a good job).

These are massive breeches of security, and she absolutely should not be president because of these. Bernie is a much better choice thanks to this alone.

The part that burns me the most isn’t just that she lies, but that she constructs her lies to appeal to the public’s ignorance about the matter. Namely, when she says she didn’t do anything wrong because nothing she emailed was classified until after the fact. I worry that your typical person is going to hear that and think it sounds plausible.

For those of you that don’t know how intelligence/classified data work, let me paint a picture. Imagine I’m the Secretary of State, and you’re you. I send you an email:

“Hey, there’s this guy I know, Mark, and he’s a secret agent in Iran that’s about to do some really crazy shit. Watch the news this Tuesday… :wink:

This isn’t marked classified because I just wrote it and I didn’t mark it classified. But it gives the name and location of an active agent and an approximate time frame for his operations. I, as Secretary of State, would know that this would be marked Top Secret/NOFORN if I allowed it to go through the proper channels instead of emailing it from Outlook on my home computer.

So when Hillary says “None of it was marked classified” what she means is “I didn’t classify anything I sent.” When the FBI says that thousands of her documents were later marked classified, they mean, “She sent thousands of emails containing information that should have been marked classified the whole time.”

When they stopped making having a good character a prerequisite to the Presidency, they gave up having anything to say about the Presidency. Billy proved that it doesn’t really matter any more what the President does. Obama proved that through executive privileged, any information concerning the President can be sequestered (“for the good of national security”) as long as the corporate media gives permission.

Women have always had the special privilege to lie.
Feminism has never been about giving up such privileges, merely acquiring more.

A woman has no business sending men off to die. But that isn’t going to stop them from doing it and then lying about why.

To her political opponents, these are no doubt “massive breaches of security”. Blah, blah, fucken-blahblah. Echo chamber. Of course it “burns” you. Your side has been trying to destroy Hilary for over two decades, and you still can’t get her. All you can do is point fingers and call her a bitch from the sideline. Squandering millions upon millions of taxpayer dollars on witch hunt after witch hunt.

Did you notice a few months ago when Denis Hastert, crucial in implementing Bill Clinton’s impeachment for having an affair and then lying about it, was sentenced for being a serial child rapist? Did you also notice a few months before that when Colin Powell publicly stated in Clinton’s defense that both he and Condoleeza Rice also used private email servers during their tenure in the Bush administration? Uccisore, you can declare yourself the winner of the argument all you want, but it is true that “everybody does it”, and so it is disingenuous to declare that Hilary’s lies are somehow more grievous than Nixon’s, or Bush’s, or Gingrich’s, or Trump’s or anyone else’s. Hilary’s may annoy you more than the rest, given that she has eluded your grasp for all these many years, but that’s more indicative of a conservative personal vendetta than the actual horribleness of whatever lies she’s told (What have been the consequences of her lies thus far, anyway? A drop in her own approval ratings, but not a whole lot else).

i’m a moron though, so you must still be right.

Well put.

But [of course] entirely wasted on an objectivist of uccisore’s sort.

They see only what they already know.

Besides, if want to go after the Clintons start here: oldthinkernews.com/2007/11/0 … residency/

And the very last thing that these folks are concerned about is whether you are a Democrat or a Republican, a “liberal” or a “conservative”:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_B … s#Politics

Thomas E. Donilon (2012),[3] Executive Vice President for Law and Policy at Fannie Mae (1999–2005), National Security Advisor (2010 – 2013)
Roger Altman (2011, 2012, 2013),[2][12][104] Deputy Treasury Secretary from 1993–1994, Founder and Chairman of Evercore Partners
George W. Ball (1954, 1993),[105] Under Secretary of State 1961–1968, Ambassador to U.N. 1968 (deceased)
Sandy Berger (1999),[106] National Security Advisor, 1997–2001
Hillary Rodham Clinton (1997),;[107] First Lady of the USA when attending, later 67th United States Secretary of State
Timothy Geithner (2008, 2009),[2][104] Treasury Secretary
Dick Gephardt (2012),[3] former Congressman and House Majority Leader
Lee H. Hamilton (1997),[8][better source needed] former Congressman
Christian Herter,[108] (1961, 1963, 1964, 1966), 53rd United States Secretary of State (deceased)
Charles Douglas Jackson (1957, 1958, 1960),[109] Special Assistant to the President (deceased)
Joseph E. Johnson[110] (1954), President Carnegie Endowment for International Peace (deceased)
Henry Kissinger (1957, 1964, 1966, 1971, 1973, 1974, 1977, 2008, 2009, 2010,[23] 2011, 2012,[3] 2013,[12] 2015[14]),[76][111] 56th United States Secretary of State
Mark G. Mazzie (1986, 1987),[3] Chief of Staff, The Honorable George C. Wortley, U.S. House of Representatives.
Richard Perle (2011), Chairman of the Defense Policy Board Advisory Committee 2001–2003, United States Assistant Secretary of Defense 1981–1987[35]
Colin Powell (1997),[8][better source needed] 65th United States Secretary of State
Condoleezza Rice (2008),[2] 66th United States Secretary of State
George P. Shultz (2008),[2] 60th United States Secretary of State
Lawrence Summers,[104] Director of the National Economic Council
Paul Volcker (2010),[104] Chair of the President’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board and Chairman of the Federal Reserve from 1979–1987
Terry Wolfe (2010),[23] author and former Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs
Robert Zoellick (2008–2015),[2][3][11][12][13][14][23][49] former Trade Representative, former Deputy Secretary of State and former President of the World Bank Group

Presidents
George H.W Bush (1989,1992)
Bill Clinton (1991),[98][99] President 1993–2001
Gerald Ford (1964, 1966),[15][112] President 1974–1977 (deceased)

Senators
Tom Daschle (2008),[2] Senator from South Dakota 1987-2005
John Edwards (2004),[113][114] Senator from North Carolina 1999–2005
Chuck Hagel (1999, 2000),[115] Senator from Nebraska 1997–2009, Secretary of Defense 2013–2015.
John Kerry (2012),[3] 68th United States Secretary of State and Senator from Massachusetts (1985–2013)
Sam Nunn (1996, 1997),[8][better source needed] Senator from Georgia 1972–1997

I’m not on a side, or the same side as Uccisore, he is a conservative Republican, I am a Paleo-Conservative Independent, he is a liberal to me. I don’t push values or an preferred economic model as my chief agenda, I push excellency in statecraft… so called “values” and economic theories change over time, a republic has every right to change over time, but should remain sound and competent in doing so.

I had absolutely no problem with Hillary as First Lady, find it offensive anyone should take a political stance on a mans wife who has a unofficial role at best. Michelle Obama having somehow the capacity to rewrite the rules of how sugar is to be labeled on food strikes me as weird, I honestly don’t know how that happened authority wise (fucking the president doesn’t entitle you to change the nations nutrition labels on a psuedo-scientific basis), but outside this oddity, most just stick to literacy, women’s group, family outreach, basic advocacies expected of the Matriarch in Chief. Is it stereotyped? Yes… hard to see Bill running around decorating the Christmas Tree like Jackie-O… or trusted to hang out with a bunch of MILFs on this or that council unsupervised. I just don’t like to lay into First Ladies though otherwise. They didn’t run for president, their husband did.

Hillary starts becoming a political issue for me only once she became a Senator in NY, and I’m mostly inclined to ignore that era as well cause NY inflicts a lot of stupid ideas on themselves, would of with or without her. I choose not to live in that state. It is her secretary of state gig that infuriates me.

Notice I’m not nearly as mad at John Kerry as I am Hillary, they held the same job. If it wasn’t for all of Hillary’s fuckups, he wouldn’t have nearly as bad of a struggle. I wouldn’t want him as president, but could live with him… it would be a rather predictable presidency. I wouldn’t be nearly as passionate in saying he’ll no to him, other than to note he didn’t do anything great either. He is no Kissinger.

I am not on Ucci’s side. I take a firm constitutional stance, with a eye to history and theories philosophy has put forth over the last few thousand years on running and maintaining a state. That is my outlook. I’m never going to get excited about a party… be it a political party or a house party. Just, under no circumstances, ever Hillary. The bitch caused this nation a lot of international problems, dropped the ball on the Arab Spring, instrumental in that train wreck in Libya and ISIS. We needed someone not merely a safe bet, but a genius to advise the president and lead her crucial department during this time… Secretary of State and Secretary of Defence are the two most important cabinet ministers in times of international crisis and war. The president doesn’t go running to the Secretary of the Interior or Agriculture when shit like that breaks out.

Its why I’m a bit more at ease with Trump bring a populist with emphasis on having only the very best of advisors. Shit breaks out, his instinct will be to pound (commander and chief), but hypothetically he will have the very best from both sides of the isle to advise him and give him better ideas. Running a presidency isn’t the same as running a twitter account. Runningbthe State Department, unfortunately is a bit like being President. If you can’t be Secretary of State, your not entitled to he president.

I would accept a Communist like Bernie, who has no record of foreign policy blunders, and has served the state for decades as a Senator, so he has some idea of how shit works, over someone or starts or escalates pointless wars, some against allies.