Beaty is relative. The specifics of it are generally agreed upon from culture to culture. In a culture where food is scarce a fat woman would probably be considered beautiful.
Standards of Physical Attraction are relative, when Socrates and Hippias are talking about Beauty they are talking about an abstract quality that transcends culture. Beauty is truth and truth is beauty and all that.
Instead of having “answers” on a math test, they should just call them “impressions,” and if you got a different “impression,” so what, can’t we all be brothers?â€
Jack Handy.
2+2=4, thats just the way it is. Many things are experienced subjectively but there are facts that exist objectively irregardless of human interpretation.
Versions of Truth are not truth unless they correspond with what actually is True. When the Catholic Church insisted that the earth was the center of the universe they were not presenting the truth. When Copernicus claimed that the Sun was the center of the solar system he was presenting the truth.
Everyone has their own take on reality, not everyone is correct.
It was the truth as they understood it at the time. It served them well enough. Tell me, who’s standing right-side up, you or the guy on the exact opposide side of the earth? The answer is the truth.
This is getting way off topic but I am really enjoying this discussion.
Your first point…that the theory geocentric theory served them well and thus made it true misses the point. The earth is not the center of the solar system so any theory that says it is, no matter how useful, cannot be true. True means that an idea corresponds with what is. No matter how many positive qualities an idea has, it is not true unless it corresponds with objective reality.
So applying that to the second point. Which one of us is right side up. Of course both of us will claim we are right side up and the other is upside down because of our point of observation. We both contradict each other because the term right side Up is insufficient to describe reality. If you were to move yourself out into space you would see that it is not possible to determine who is correct because the only way to define up and down is in relation to a particular point of observation thus creating an truly relative value. Unlike the first example in which the conclusions drawn from the position of the Earth and Sun do not change with the point of observation. The Earth moves around the Sun and although moving the point of observation can make it appear otherwise, it does not change anything.
The truth is that they both revolve. We don’t notice the Sun revolving much because it is so much more massive than the Earth. The Earth does cause the Sun to wobble a bit though. So the Sun being the middle of our solar system isn’t exactly true either.
By the way. I used geometry to prove my truth and you used calculus to prove your truth. So we both used math to prove our truths, lol. Geometry is the truth of space. Calculus is the truth of time.
That gets to the root of things, truth is available for human consumption, it is just that thinking is hard hard work and attempting to establish the truthiness of ideas requires effort. Thus the overwhelming popularity of “It’s all an illusion” and “Nothing means anything” lines of thought.
Ugg can’t people stay on topic. I get better/more meaningful responses from normal forums than here-a bunch of oration that does nothing. After the first few posts it started way straying. Hasn’t anyone read Hippias Major?