I came across the diagnostic criteria for HIV/AIDS infection by WHO in Africa.
Its a giant list of symptoms that africans have anyway long before HIV/AIDS. Weight-loss, sicknesses, etc.
On top of that how do you properly test a poor sick african for HIV when their blood is crawling with forign antibodies? (I know this kind of testing hasn’t been done to africans wide-scale and most aids cases are based off of physical symptoms, though)
Things like:
" * Unexplained chronic diarrhoea for longer than one month
* Unexplained persistent fever (intermittent or constant for longer than one month)
* Severe weight loss (>10% of presumed or measured body weight)
* Oral candidiasis
* Oral hairy leukoplakia
* Pulmonary tuberculosis (TB) diagnosed in last two years
* Severe presumed bacterial infections
Same things happen to people in the West. They are signs of a weakening immune system.
The west has much different diagnostic criteria though, especially modern diagnostic criteria. People can and do look at HIV viruses.
I’m not saying that HIV can’t lead to Aids or that it (though theres contention about whether this always happens or not. As in people suggest not all forms of HIV will form aids but requires certain mutations and coinfection or whatever) doesn’t kill people through destroying their immune systems, only that statistically it doesn’t seem very high like we’re told, in comparison with other disease anyway.
Well, I shouldn’t say that specifically. I imagine looking at the virus is probably an issue of research and not diagnostics per se, but regardless, what I mean is that most “AIDS” casing are probably caused by HIV, when people test for HIV they look for a viral loads on people that show that people with aids do have quite a bit of HIV in the body, a really high one is advanced disease or very new, they give people the drugs, they get better, this is probably a virus induced immuno defiency, I wouldn’t suggest otherwise.
Just that say, compared to the west, Africa must have many many many incorrect diagnosis, people in the west don’t have to deal with so manyy sicknesses which would confound diagnosis.
First of all there is no single AIDs virus, but instead an ever-changing combination of various multiple kinds of retroviruses which slowly root into the body’s cells. The real caused consiquences of the AIDs viral combination mostly relates to types of cancers, not just a lowered immune-system, which are not blamed on AIDs but about 99% of the time deaths and disease’s root cause is in one way or another misdiagnosed. The AIDs viruses were put through the world health organization aswel as other medical associations, based on cultured highbred viruses between human, sheep and cow retroviral strains. For example when Bayer sold AIDs virus infected drugs to multiple out-of-state countries it was not an accident at all but instead the secret owners of corporations and false american medicine chose exactly and on purpose to lace many vaccines and “medicines” with AIDs aswel as spread disinfo about the actual disease.
At this very moment there are other diseases and viruses being custom designed which are virtually unknow and overt humanity will not be even half smart enough to discover or treat such things.
If you think HIV strains which lead to aids were created by humans you’re beyond delusional, HIV virus has been found in tissues from like the 50s, trust me, the government did not have the technology or education to be manufactoring viruses back then, not to mention it requires a giant leap of faith to claim that, given the similiarities between HIV and other simian viruses.
I only wish the rest of your post was coherent so I could reply to that.
That was around 9 years ago, drop the conspiracy theory.
If it was a man-made disease, do you not think it would show the molecular nature of man-made viruses, or were the scientists of the 50s that much smarter than the scientists of today?
back when bayer did that I wasn’t aware there were ways to screen for HIV contaminated blood. Which has nothing to do with humans creating HIV, btw. Even still, it was a sad display of corporate greed./
Sure. If all you are saying is that poor funding is correlated to poor diagnoses and that Africa has a truckload of health problems aside from HIV/AIDS, I won’t disagree with you. But that doesn’t diminish the problem of AIDS in Africa. South Africa, for example, has a loss of something absurd like 30% to its GDP because of AIDS. And what is their president doing? Offering quacky herbal cures.
Madness.
Funding and eduction is needed. The whole world 'round it would seem, based on some comments in this thread.
how is that 30% number gotten accurately is my point? You can’t just abandon scientific criteria for diagnosis.
No person in the western world would accept the criteria as a diagnosis, no one would even suggest that we would. before claiming that X is occuring and that X is serious, the absolute highest of scientific standards must be clutched tightly, when we’re talking about a viral epidemic, the claims neeed to be based on strong,solid and wide scientific evidence. (say, the tests which we get are massively accurate, between the two, in diagnosing HIV)
Without these tests it devolves into diagnosis based on symptoms (symptoms africans have anyway, commonly)is it based on projecting numbers based on a few tests? how do these tests work on africans who have that many antibodies to that many things?
Does giving HIV medication to people who have had chronic malnutrution disease/parasites/bacteria actually increase lifespan expectation? Would we perhaps not be better off fighting other diseases which do show the typical patterns of virus spread? etc.
I’m not specifically claiming HIV/AIDS isn’t an epidemic, just that the standards that i’ve seen to judge that are unscientific (and critisized as such, which is why eventually changed their diagnostic criteria to include actual HIV testing “when possible”.
AIDs is not based on HIV alone, it involves more than one type of virus aswel as at times, certain parasites such as a type of flatworm which resides in the thimus gland + other areas. There’s more than one way to screw over a person’s immune-system.
I was not ruling out that the highbred virus between two animals or more may have been accidental, through some very stupid vaccine method.
You’re so quick to say I’m beyond delusional.
So people were having sex with chimps and that’s how this all happened?
No.
Yup, sex with chimps, that’s the way, the only way, too bad the chimps did not have condoms.
Or maybe it was chimp blood transfusions?
But this is not about AIDs anymore at all.
You said I’m beyond delusional, right away, off the top of your ass.
You’re a butthead for ever calling me that, or suggesting degrading words towards me so soon.
You don’t have any right to insult me at all. You don’t know anything about me.
If you could talk shit about a stranger, that means you judge the unknown without thinking or knowing it first.
Look, I said if you think humans created HIV (which is the the main topic of discussion here) that you’re delusional. Its an incorrect fixed belief, and its idiotic. I don’t need to know you, to consider the belief idiotic and illfounded illresearched and ignorant of all molecular biology and genetics and every branch of biology worth talking about, hence not in a position to talk about it at all, hence, if you believe man made HIV (which is suggestive in your idiotic suggestions about chimp sex) than don’t bother posting in my thread, I don’t want a derailed conspiracy thread, but a legitimate discussion.
And yes, humans probably got HIV through eating chimp meat. (AS IT BEARS STRIKING MOLECULAR RESEMBELENCVE TO A VIRUS THAT THEY GET).
NOt only that but in a large sampling of people from these areas who routinely eat ape/monkey meat, viruses (besides HIV) that have only been thought to exist in other apes/monkeys, HAVE CROSSED THAT BARRIER.
As in viruses that you’ve never heard about, that don’t kill massive amounts of people, have been shown to come from apes/monkeys in SIMILIAR situations.
and i’m pretty sure chimps have gotten viruses previously confined to monkeys, by guess what? Eating monkeys.
what the fuck does chimp-sex have anything to do with it? Do you go out of your way to look for oppertunities to bring up human/chimp sexual relationships? A more interesting question to ask is what your obession on that subject is, or where it spawns from.
Do you realize how stupid your sarcastic question about chimp-sex is? The virus doesn’t only transport itself through cells to other bodies, no the virus can free-float, so, I don’t really know what you’re fucking talking about.
Why would sex be the only way to become infected with a microscopic particle? think of the size of a pin-head in a room, thats a virus in a cell. HIV can be found in trace amounts in salvia/urine.
IF someone with HIV sneezed in your face, or coughed in your direction, you could get HIV. the statistical chance is beyond low, no human cases have ever been reported, but guess what, it can still happen, because thats the reality of a microscopic entity like a HIV virus.
So, dozens and dozens of people feeding on infested chimp meat doesn’t really equate = super improbability. (chimps are closely related and as such is the animal whose viral pathogens are very likely, similiar to our own, and hence have higher chance at either evolving or exchanging viral information with a human virus, and making that leap)
If it was just in the meat of primates how did it get into the vaccines then?
quite some time after HIV had been making rounds in populations, the companies occused of contaminating with HIV were creating medicine for people out of human blood samples that they had been taking from highrisk individuals (apparently) when there was no criteria for HIV testing. (hemophiliacs or whatever)
There are no vaccines which have HIV, which are not there as a result of contamination.
HIV pre-dates our ability to create viruses, HIV pre-dates the vaccinations you’re speaking about. It has been found in individuals, dating back to the 50s.
On top of that, it bears striking resembelence to a virus found in chimpanzees in 1999, no one is lying about this near identical chimp virus. No one is lying about other documented cases of chimp viruses spreading to humans.
Theres massive evidence to support the claims, which is why they’re taken seriously.
If a new strain of flu broke out which killed millions, would it make sense to say the government did it? Or would it make sense to say “We’ve seen new viral outbreaks before, ,viruses can evolve rapidly and also exchange genetic information with other viruses?”
would it make sense to say the government did it after you found an old natural virus that was almost identical to the new flu strain?
conspiracy theorists all have one thing in common, they don’t understand biology or the evolution of viruses or their potential.
I’m going to quote someone here too,
If this starts out in chimps or monkeys or whatever, then why isn’t the outbreak just in the areas where people are eating the infected meat, first, and then spreading out from that particular area? Why not that way instead of how it really was as various outbreaks across multiple countries?
Uh, what?
just follow me conceptually.
monkeys are known to have a certain virus, called virus X, it has never been found in apes. Humans are found in this theoretical world, dying off from some kind of apparent immuno deffiency, it starts to spread and lots of research starts to go into the problem, we find that the human virus bares some resembelence to this monkey virus (and for that matter other viruses as well. Since some people of certain european descent have a small resistance to HIV based on resistances to ancient viruses which these other viruses may have evolved from, or maybe they were just similiar enough) but that the monkey virus is still a bit far off, this is not the origin.
So you search from areas around this money virus, what could have happened? Viruses can exchange information with each other in a host body, they can evolve, they can jump hosts. Viruses are elite little machines and it could have happened multiple ways. All of a sudden this chimp population is found with a virus, that disturbingly is a near match to human HIV, and very much looks like a monkey virus too.
except wait, the virus was found in HUMAN TISSUES, (quite a few)long before the government EVER had the technology to… manipulate viruses like that.
Heres the sad facts.
Viruses are deadly, the evolve really fast, they cross species barriers very easily (i’d say in evolutionary time, but viruses cross species even faster than that, they’re fast for OUR lifetimes, one or two of them) a spanish flu came out of nowhere in early 1918 and wiped out so many people that it killed itself out, ,the stronger your immune system the bigger chance of death. The virus was beyond deadly, it was beyond a plauge, ,it literally ‘came out of nowhere’ and then only died when it couldn’t find any other human hosts. It jumped the species barrier.
Tell me, why with all this massive evidence for viruses doing this, that you have a hard time believing that HIV could spread across a globe so quick (HIV is actually brrutally slow for a virus, which makes some, good researchers, actually speculate/research things to explain that/even suggest that HIV doesn’t exist at all).
the biggest criticism to the HIV/AIDS ‘theory’ (or fact whatever) is that it doesn’t act like a typical virus, it is slower, much much much slower. If HIV had been a typical virus billions would be dead(a bird flu like spanish flu) given research that suggest HIV needs circumstancial factors to cause aids though, much of that ‘slow virus’ nonsense, probably, ,may not make sense.
Like, It may only be a certain strain or strains and under circumstancial conditions that end up causing aids. some research may suggest that.
But your criticism about it being too fast doesn’t make any sense at all.