I definitely don’t think so, but I know there is at least one person on the boards who thinks it was, and so does the Iranian president.
What are the arguments for it being a myth? What are the origins of such arguments?
Just curious.
They say Zyklon B was for curing tetanis or some shit. That it can’t kill people fast enough.
My grandfather saw the camps, though, he never denied it.
I don’t imagine he’s been blackmailed by his liberators.
He may have seen the camps, but did he see that they were annihilation camps?
I am pretty intrigued by Holocaust denial, as I don’t understand why a Nazi would deny it if it was truly Hitler’s will.
That Iranian guy needs to take a few years in rehab.
The Nazis generally only deny taking part - they do not typically deny that it happened. Among others, folks that desire to paint Jews with the ‘particularly despicable human’ brush, sometimes deny that it occurred.
[sarcasm]Its a little known fact that the Nazis used to store their eye glasses by the thousands in large piles to save on the man power to sort them and the resources to box them. That way they could uses those men and resources fighting the rest of the world.[/sarcasm]
Oh, the deported were killed allright. My grandfather was the only one of his familly that survived - and thta is because he escaped three times. His family counted some 25 members when they were deported.
I think the dispute is about the exact number of victims, and how they were killed. It’s not really relevant I guess. It’s not that the nazi’s were too friendly to kill - hell, Hitler sent his own soldiers to Russia without winterclothes because he thought he would take care of the heat with his psychic powers.
- Not enough cyanide gas to massacre 6-12 million people
- Others were also massacred, hence it was not a genocide
- It is a Jewish and U.S. conspiracy to create Israel
- It is a Jewish conspiracy to gain sympathy and control the world.
- There weren’t that many Jews living in Europe.
Chuckle, go to Palestinian Watch for insight. Abbas wrote is dissertation claiming this was a myth. Geez, and stupid Bush supports this guy as Abbas recognizes Israel in English, but make contradictory claims in Arabic. 
Ripley’s Believe it or Not.
With regards,
aspacia 
Quick collection of reports:
“Today, they have created a myth in the name of Holocaust and consider it to be above God, religion and the prophets.”
cbsnews.com/stories/2005/12/ … 4255.shtml
“They have invented a myth that Jews were massacred and place this above God, religions and the prophets,”
cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/14/iran.israel/
“They have created a myth today that they call the massacre of Jews and they consider it a principle above God, religions and the prophets,”
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4527142.stm
“Today, they have created a myth in the name of Holocaust and consider it to be above God, religion and the prophets.”
timesonline.co.uk/article/0, … 53,00.html
“They have created a myth in the name of the Holocaust and consider it above God, religion and the prophets,”
… if Europeans established Israel out of guilt over the Nazi campaign, the country should be carved out of Europe …
In Western countries, “if someone were to deny the existence of God . . . and deny the existence of prophets and religion, they would not bother him,” Ahmadinejad said. “However, if someone were to deny the myth of the Jews’ massacre, all the Zionist mouthpieces and the governments subservient to the Zionists tear their larynxes and scream against the person as much as they can.”
washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 02403.html
I have no doubt that death camps existed and millions were killed.
Ne must read Mein Kampf and a few other books to get a faint feeling what people are capable of.
Unfortunately you don’t have to go back that far to find massacre of millions.
The basis of the idea that the story of the Holocaust is largely untrue is based upon something called “Historical Revisionism”. The main website for the advocacy of Historical Revisionism is http://www.ihr.org. Perhaps the best introductory book to this field of study is called “The Hoax of the Twentieth Century” by Arthur Butz, and can be found here: http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/thottc.
The gist of the story is that all of the evidence of the alleged Nationalist-Socialist plot to exterminate European Jewry was attained through the “show trials” – i.e. military tribunals – in the aftermath of the war. In other words, if one were to question the “truth” that was acquired from the confessions of certain high level German defendants, then one would not have much of a solid foundation upon which to believe the accusations of the victorious Allied powers.
Another point to keep in mind is that ALL WARS consist of propaganda campaigns on both sides, in order to justify the sacrifices that are required in order to be victorious. In fact, propagandistic claims of atrocities being committed upon Jews is not confined to WWII, but were also made during WWI: the only difference between the two claims being the state of the Zionist cause.
Once you understand that the entire moral foundation of Israel is wrapped up in a general belief by Westerners of the Holocaust story, then you will understand why it is that this particular claim has stood the test of time. After all, there are real human beings living in Israel today whose safety depends on the continuing input of financial support from the Western world – i.e. polite Judeo-Christian society.
One particularly glaring example of the unreliability of war crimes allegations can be found in the transcripts of the opening statements of the Pohl case at the International Military Tribunal for Germany, found here: http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/pohl/open4.htm. In it, the prosecutor claims that the numbers of dead at Auschwitz amounted to “at least 3.5 million”. Numbers like these were attained through the confessions of high ranking Germans, and were accepted as undeniable fact. Today, however, the “accepted” number of Auschwitz dead is just over 1 million (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz). Of course, self-identified revisionists claim that this number is wildly inflated as well.
So, you can see that “historical revisionism” is indeed a legitimate enterprise. It is not simply confined to neo-Nazis and Islamic radicals. Is is the natural tendency of those of us who wish to find historical truth by “peeling away the layers” of the propaganda-imbued histories of our forefathers.
Jews suck. I’m a jew. I can say that.
You are technically no Jew - or have you converted to Judaism?
Get real! If I claim I am White, and all Whites suck this is just as fallacious as what you claim.
There are some people who claim the whole holocaust never happened, and blah blah blah, you know the story as i can see in the posts. Now, as an aspiring historian, i can say with strong confidence that most scholarly historians consider these claims to be completely unsupported and quite frankly, impossible to be true. I htink there is 1 world known historian in north america, and maybe another one in europe, who claim the whole holocaust never happened.
However, there are a number of historians who argue for 2 things when it comes to the holocaust which are contrary to what they teach you in high school. First, it is the number of Jews who were murdered. The thing with this, is scholars who claim this, arent claiming no Jews were killed, and most would say the holocaust is a terrible horrific thing regardless of whether it was 6 million or 3 million. They just think there is some evidence of the numbers being exagerated.
Secondly, they claim, and this is the big one, that Hitler knew nothing about what was going on, except that Jews were being held in camps. This comes from the evidence that we have no documents with Hitler actually signing for the killing of the Jews. We have 1 or 2 documents of Hitler signing for the purchase of T4 gas, however, that doesn’t prove he knew it would be used to kill all the jews in gas chambers, or at least thats what the argument is. Most historians who stand up for this view point, and lets just say there is not a whole lot, claim that it was hitlers adminstrators, Hess, Speer, Himmler!, who orchestrated and knew about the death camps. Some have actually made a decent argument for this viewpoint.
That being said, I for one find it hard to accept, and certianly don’t believe the absence of documents with Hitler officially advocating the final solution proves he did not know what was going on.
These fellows must think that it is only in our generation that political leaders have come up with ‘plausible deniability.’
Do you have any valid support, a link to these “historians.” I know that several Middle-Eastern historians made this claim, Abbas wrote his dissertation on Holocaust denial.
Most of the evidence I have come across, and the first hand accounts of the troops who first liberated the camps are difficult to refute.
During wars, any numbers are ususally inaccurate. Did a research paper on Midway, and every source has divergent numbers regarding men, cruisers, etc.
With regards,
aspacia
I did not claim I could claim it - I said I could say it.
I have heard the names of these historians in a Holocaust class i took, as well as a couple of holcoaust seminars, which dealth primarily with holocaust denial. I see if i can dig them up, or find the names when i have the time, and I’ll get back to you.
Winston Churchill was once asked: How will you be remembered in history?
His reply: Let me write it first.
Anyperson can make any claim. This does not make it valid. My point was that your stance is fallacious.
Get it?
aspacia