Both very True.
Also, one has to look at and see, and understand, what another actually has for ‘thier claim’ before ‘the claim’ could be logically and correctly dismissed.
And again, while I wait, patiently, for those who interest in my claims, if I choose to I will point out what others do, from my perspective. For example, if they are being stupid, and I choose to, I will just point this out. And, contrary to what some believe to be absolutely true, this is certainly not an insult nor an attacked of ‘the person’.
Once again, until one obtains enough interest to find out what the other is actually saying and meaning, what they are ‘understanding’ could be a completely Wrong and/or False misunderstanding. For example, what I mean when I say and use the ‘stupid’ word could be completely and utterly different from how others say it, mean it, and use it. As I have been continually pointing out, but which some here have never been able to comprehend and understand. But, again, this is just the negative result of having and maintaining beliefs and presumptions.