What do you call it? Have you obtained it?
I don’t know who anew1 thinks I could possibly feel an urge to discredit him with. He ends up considered a troll or simply ignored for unstated reasons by everyone I have seen him come in contact with here.
Anew may have no experience of children, since he LOLs at the idea that children might seems greedy and selfish. The question is what happenes between anew and the children when he suggests they follow the one principle of World Peace and they do not automactically align with it.
That said, if they are told about being Open and Honest with everyone, they will be putting themselves in danger. We are not in the future that anew imagines where total Utopia reigns, so on the way from here to there we need to keep children, and adults for that matter, safe.
anew has his fantasies in his head, but he has not shown that he even understands the problem for adults, let alone children, answering every questions from anyone honestly.
Sometimes when this is pointed out anew says he says that no one has to do this. Great. But that’s not the point. If you are making the suggestion and claims to know the things you do, which are claims to as you agreed Messiah-level knowledge, kids will either listen - which leads to the problems pointed out near the beginning of this thread, or not listen to him and the 9 steps will not be followed.
The perfect world in anew’s mind is a perfect world in his mind, and that’s it.
one of the ways anew avoids posting anything of substance when he has no justification for what he posted.
What are you referring to with the phrase ‘the writings’? Where are these ‘writings’?
Anew1 vs greenfuse
You guys negotiate like Trump and Iran, squabbling and quarreling to no avail until one backs out and claims victory.
That is certainly one aspect of things: the squabbling. I don’t know what victory would mean. I certainly can’t defeat anew - whatever that would mean - nor am I trying to. I don’t think there is any kind of narrative between us, let alone one that includes defeats and victories. I actually can’t imagine affecting him in any significant way. He’s not bothered at all by our interaction and he already knows all the important truths, according to him. I believe that is his sense of himself and his sense of what he knows. The chances of that changing through words on a screen is zero. It might change through life experiences. I am not trying to change him, let alone defeat him. He thinks I am trying to discredit him. All I would need to do is just sit back and never respond. People generally have the same reactions to him. No need for me to lift a finger.
You and I react to anew differently. I think he regularly initiates toxic communication and much of it is passive-aggressive though explicit forms, rather than implied forms, happen also. I also find it amazing what he cannot see about himself and what he is doing. I have never met such a pure form of those two qualities. Conveying utter superiority and not being able to see themselves.
That fascinates me, perhaps, unfortunately. But I have learned a lot. With most people it is more scattershot. It comes up once in a while. Here with him it is a regular pattern. So, what I learn in interaction, shows me a lot of what is going on around me all over the place. How do people use status cues? How can one subtly (and not so subtly) put people down or gaslight them? What do people do when faced with something ego-dystonic? How do they manage to deny the obvious?
To me these issues are vastly more important than free will vs. determinism, for example. Or even discussions of Trump and Iran. The issue of Trump and Iran is extremely important, but the discussion of it here, I’m not sure that does much.
Oh, and of course, I realize that I engage in communication I would not with someone else. That came after repeatedly experiencing what I mentioned above. He claims none of this bothers him, it doesn’t annoy him or make him sad, let alone angry.
I should have stayed with just cataloguing moments where he initiates the toxic communication with someone who is not communicating that way. I don’t think he realizes that he does this. Whether coincidence or chance, he seemed to respond to people more politely for a while there. I understand for example that for him, at least as far as he knows, referring to someone as ‘it’ is not meant to be an insult. It has to do with his ontology. But, of course, he could refrain, perhaps in honor of his fourth step ‘Love’. I understand that when he says everyone here is in a cult and abuses children, he considers this simply a truthful statement. I understand that many of his common ways of addressing people aren’t, at least consciously, meant to be condescending. He claims to know why we all do what we do and why we do it. He knows the solution to all our problems. He KNOWS. So, I am sure it feels natural to him to talk down to ‘abusive people who are in a cult but can’t admit it’ and who don’t, unlike him, have the answers to all human problems. He knows the future. They learned how to live in Peace and Harmony, perhaps through him in the future, and he is writing to them, according to him, more than to us. He is using us for that more important dialogue.
My suggestion would be to engage in a sustained dialogue with anew. And if you find you disagree with parts of what he writes, make that clear. Let us know how that goes, if you want. I might learn a lot from that.
Since no one has even come anywhere close to refuting ‘the claim’ that the Universe is infinite, and eternal this Fact remains unchallenged.
So, number 1 of the unambiguous already irrefutably proven Facts is:
When the ‘Universe’ word is defined as, Everything; All there is; Totality, then the Universe is infinite and eternal.
Now, the sooner this Fact is agreed with and accepted by the theological, scientific, and philosophical community, then the quicker human beings, collectively, can start moving along the One and only True and Right straight and narrow TRACK in Life, and start moving along with the True, Right, Accurate, and Correct Knowledge in Life for Guidance.
Again, what is needed here is Honesty and Openness.
The answer would all depend on what the ‘it’ word here is referring to exactly.
Again, the answer would all depend on what you are meaning by ‘it’, exactly.
The answer would all depend on what the ‘it’ word here is referring to exactly.
In the sentence you wrote, you wrote 'what some might call ‘True Englightenment.’ I asked what do you call it? Same verb call. So when one responds like this it means one is referring to the word or phrase that some people call ‘True Enlightenment’. So, that is the ‘it.’
Exact same idea here. We had the verb ‘obtained’ in what I quoted of what you wrote. What was it referring to? True Enlightenment. So, when one asks such a question with the same verb, it is going to be the object of that verb one is referring to with ‘it’.
So, the answer to both questions is: True Enlightenment. What do you call True Enlightenment? Have you obtained True Enlightenment?
Only when one believes or thinks children could be greedy or selfish is when children might seem greedy and selfish. However, because ‘I’ know, for sure, that children can never do Wrong and thus also never be greedy and selfish, what they do also never seems greedy nor selfish.
What is needed here, which is contrary to the beliefs of the adults in the days when this is being written here, is children do not need discipline. Who actually needs discipline is adults. They need self-discipline to learn how to teach children what is actually Right in Life.
Which adults cannot achieve while they look at and judge children as though they could do Wrong and/or could be greedy and selfish individual human beings.
- I would never suggest children follow any thing. Children will naturally just copy and follow you adults anyway, no matter what i say or suggest.
- If children are not following the one principle that achieves and keeps World Peace, then that is the sole responsibility of you adult human beings alone.
- What happens between ‘me’ and anyone when they are not following or not doing the one principle of World Peace, and they do not automatically align with it, is, again, I just wait, patiently, for those who seriously do want to learn and understand more and/or anew here.
If you want to keep “running” with your completely misinterpreted misunderstanding here, and believe “they are in danger”, then, please, by all means keep on doing so.
you are only providing more proof for another one of ‘my claims’.
Again, the very reason why it took ‘you people’ so, so very long to ‘catch up’ I have partly explained many, many times over already.
Yep, and by you adults doing the same thing over and over, which you have been doing for centuries ‘now’, while expecting different results, there is a particular name used for this happening.
Does anyone here know what ‘that word’ is, exactly?
And, OBVIOUSLY, you still have not yet considered anything beyond your own presuming and believing here.
Which, again, partly explains why ‘these people’ took so, so long.
Again, ‘these types of adults’ want to lay the blame, and the responsibility, onto you.
Which is another reason WHY ‘the world’ they keep creating and living in is so messed up and unhealthy.
Once again, coming from ‘the one’ who has not read a single word in ‘the writings’, and so everything it is saying here is based off of its own assumptions and beliefs, says just about all there needs to be said about HOW and WHY, exactly, ‘these people’ took so, so very long to come to learn and understand the actual Truths, in Life., and so ‘catch up’.
If you really, still, cannot see where your comprehension lacked, absolutely, here, even after I somewhat showed exactly HOW and WHY, and you are not curious nor interested in wanting to learn and understand more here, then so be it. I understand fully WHY.
Once more, for the very slowest of learners here. ‘The writings’ are where I informed you they are all of the last times I informed you.
The Nine Steps to ‘Heaven’, or whatever other word one might use for ‘World Peace’, are ‘the writings’ in which ‘the proof’ for HOW and WHY ‘World Peace’ can be and will be created, and then lived in forever more, are in.
Have you forgotten what that ‘that list’ of what the Nine Steps that I sent were about exactly?
Those words were the heading of each of the Nine Steps, which need to be read, learned, and understood before True ‘World Peace’ could begin.
I did not think I would need to explain this to you, for another time.
What do you think or believe ‘we’ are squabbling and quarrelling over exactly?
To me,
I am just claiming that achieving and keeping World Peace, for everyone, is a far more simpler and easier than to do, than just about everyone, in the days when this is being written, imagines or believes it is.
“greenfuse”, however, just believes, absolutely, that I could not know this nor that I could possibly know how to create and achieve this kind of world. “greenfuse”, therefore, is just doing all it can to keep and maintain its belief so that ‘that belief’ remains absolutely true and correct. The only way to keep and maintain this belief true and right, for “greenfuse”, “greenfuse’s” only option is to ‘try to’ make out to as many people as it can that ‘I’ could not possibly have ‘the Knowledge’ to achieve this.
you know, just like the people who believed, absolutely, that the sun revolved around the earth used to not ‘try to’ refute a Fact, which they could not, but instead ‘tried to’ ridicule and discredit ‘the one’ who was just passing on an unambiguous already irrefutably proven Fact. If they could not achieve this, then remember they ended up trying punishment for ‘that one’.
Just like human beings with very strong beliefs have done to many other ones who were just trying to pass on other actual Facts and Truths, in Life.
THANK YOU for answering and clarifying here, this time. you do it so rarely it is very pleasing to see when you do it. It is also very refreshing.
Now, I call ‘it’ True Enlightenment.
I have already informed you, but which you appear to have completely and utterly forgotten here, which is not surprising, but anyway I have already informed you that I have absolutely no clue nor any idea about what ‘verbs’, ‘nouns’, and other ‘such things’ mean nor refer to AT ALL.
Therefore, there is absolutely no use in you using ‘those things’ here, well in regards to replies to me anyway.
Now ‘we’ are getting somewhere.
Again, I call ‘True Enlightenment’ True Enlightenment.
And, Yes, to your second question here.
I have already partly explained HOW others can reach and achieve It as well. Again, I now just wait, patiently, for those who also seriously want to learn and understand more and/or anew here.
No, I haven’t. I just don’t remember you referring to them as ‘the writings’. Are you sure you did refer to them before as ‘the writings’? I remember it was called a proof. I generally wouldn’t associate 11 words with a phrase like ‘the writings’ because English is my first language. It’s fine that you have your own idiosyncratic use for words, but when you respond to a clarifying question with and insult perhaps you haven’t mastered step 3 in your own list.
Oh, I remember. But there are very, very few adult native speakers of English who would not have known what ‘it’ referred to in my questions. Very few children either. You have said that you want to improve your communication. You have also said that many times. It’s possible that understanding a bit more about the language would make your communication better.
Thanks for letting me know what you call it and that you consider yourself to have obtained it.
Obviously it was challenged. Your sense is that it hasn’t been refuted is your sense. But it seems to me much of what A was doing was showing that you had not demonstrated it was necessarily the case. That was done well enough to keep your claim from being something that leaves absolutely no doubt and that everyone agrees with.
So, 1) you conflate not having been refuted with having been proven. That conflation is false. Here’s where you conflate the two:
Since indicates causation or logical necessity. But this is not true. No one has refuted that there isn’t a duck in my large afro, but that does not mean it has been proven that there is one and it is now suddenly a fact.
Not refuted does not = proven. Basic logic.
If someone hears the word grok and has no knowledge of it, there’s no way to say anything about it until an answer is given from an outside source then it’s stored in memory. Same with the word universe. Questions about universe come from an answer that was provided. The brain is like a computer. If you ask the computer to search for something not contained in its memory, not found would be the response. If the term universe was never heard before, no questions about it would arise because questions come from the answers given. Actually there’s no need to discuss something, some word that was stumbled upon while living. Questions must be your questions from something that is needed for survival and since there’s no way to know and define absolutely the nature of the universe, for most people anything said about the universe might be just an intriqueing wisp of mentation - connecting words, mini-ideas and knowledge from what others have said.
I wondered why you were speaking and writing in ‘the way’ that you were there.
Pretty sure, yes.
This is where I thought you were going Wrong, from the start.
By the way, why is it 11 words now?
you, still, appear to have completely and utterly misconstrued things, and so you, still, appear to be completely lost and misunderstanding things here.
you seem to still be STUCK on ‘those topic titles’ being ‘the writings’ themselves. Just like you were when I was trying to explain to you that you have to read ‘the writings’ to find out where ‘the proof’ is in them.
Maybe if I explain it like this to you.
If you are aware that in books there are chapters, and you are aware that those chapters sometimes have titles or headings, then imagine ‘the writings’ that I have been referring to have chapters or topics, which I call ‘Steps’, of which there are Nine of them. I have already provided you with the Titles, of those Nine Steps, chapters, or topics. Now, you were asking where is ‘the proof’ for them, and as I have already explained, ‘the proof’ for HOW those Nine Steps lead to the creation of and of the living in a Peace and Harmonious World for everyone, is found and uncovered in the reading of those writings, under each of those Steps, in ‘the book’.
I KNOW you did not ask for clarification here. But, I provided it again anyway.
Okay. Thank you for allowing and permitting me to.
It is also fine that you have your own idiosyncratic use for words as well, by the way.
But,
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you have NO idea what is in Step 3.
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I have NEVER responded with an insult. Although, you believe absolutely otherwise, correct?
Thank you.
If you say, then okay.
Again, okay.
Also, okay.
Once more, okay.
Makes sense.
My pleasure. I like to please and bring happiness to all.
HOW and WHEN exactly?
Saying things like, “I do not believe infinity can be proven to you”, nor any of the other things that were said were NOT actually challenging ‘the claim’ nor ‘the proof’ for ‘the claim’.
As can be seen and proved in ‘the discussion’ about ‘my claim’.
OBVIOUSLY. Exactly like, what ‘you sense’ is ‘your sense’.
Do you sense that it was refuted?
If yes, then HOW and WHY exactly?
And, what ‘seems to you’ is ‘what seems to you’ also, right?
Anyway, what in what “acltalls” said and wrote showed you that I had, supposedly, not demonstrated that the Universe was necessarily infinite, exactly?
Now, what ‘we’ can very clearly ‘see’ here is another example of how much one’s own current beliefs affect ‘the way’ they can ‘look at’ and ‘see’ things, exactly.
The people who also believed, absolutely, that the sun revolves around the earth would also only “see” that any disagreement with ‘the proof’ being presented for the Fact that that the earth actually does revolve around the sun would have also thought, presumed, or believed something like, that disagreement was done well enough to keep ‘the claim’ being something that leaves abssolutely no doubt as well.
Obviously, ‘the proof’ for the Fact existed, but some people are, literally, just not able to ‘see’ and understand it. Again, this is due to their ‘current’ beliefs and presumptions.
As this one and others are proving absolutely perfectly ‘for me’, here.
People are literally NOT able to ‘see’ Facts and proof even when it is presented to them and ‘staring them in the face’, as it is sometimes said. Again, this is because of those people’s ‘current’ beliefs and presumptions.
No I do NOT. Why do you keep believing so many of your assumptios are the absolute truth here?
- What I associate with ‘having been proven’ is ‘proof’ itself. One day you might come to learn and understand that this is what I associate with ‘having been proven’ and NOTHING like what you believe here.
And that is BECAUSE you made up ‘that conflation’ Falsely.
Talk about ‘the one’ who is conflating, and misconstruing, things here.
Did you miss or misunderstand the part where I wrote; '…even come close to refuting …?
Again, the reason WHY the Universe is infinite is because of ‘the proof’ alone. The Universe is infinite NOT for any other reason.
That no one has yet come even close to refuting ‘the claim’ that the Universe is infinite means the Fact that the Universe is infinite remains unchallenged. Again, ‘the proof’ for this claim already exists, and which is the only thing that shows and explains HOW and WHY the Universe is irrefutably infinite.
Obviously, people can ‘challenge’ a claim, but only when a claim has been refuted this is when the claim has been ‘challenged’.
Again, I suggest you might want to take up some reading comprehension lessons.
This is absolutely NOTHING that I have said nor could even be interpreted in ‘my writings’ here. Therefore, this is another ‘strawman’ or ‘red herring’ INTRODUCED, which has absolutely NOTHING at all to do ‘with me’ nor ‘with my words’.
Once more for the slowest of the slow here.
The reason WHY the Universe is infinite is because of the already existing irrefutable proof. The already existing irrefutable proof is what makes ‘the claim’ that the Universe is infinite a Fact.
Exactly like ‘the already existing irrefutable proof’ that the earth revolves around the sun is what made ‘the claim’ that the earth revovles around the sun a Fact.
How and why ‘this one’ conflates, misconstrues, misinterprets, misunderstands, and just plain old misses so much here I have already explained. But, there is also far more that can be explained and proven. That is; if anyone is interested and curious.
Very, Very True.
Here is, another, great example of HOW the brain, a computer, works, exactly.
Because ‘that brain/computer’ does not have anything in its memory about the actual nature of the Universe, ‘not found’ is its response. What also happens and occurs is ‘that brain/computer’, because of Past Experiences, has absolutely NO information at all about HOW the nature of the Universe could even be found, in conjunction with the ‘belief-system’, will ‘compute’ something like; "There is no way to know and define, absolutely, the nature of the Universe.
And, as these forums keep showing and proving, while the human being’s brain believes something is true, then even when ‘proof’ is presented to it, that brain cannot ‘compute’ it.
The Fact that it took years and years and years to just present ‘the proof’ and have it accepted that it is actually the earth that revolves around the sun, and not the other way around, as everyone else was ‘believing’ at the time, what could think would be ‘enough proof’ of WHY people would be best off letting ‘thier beliefs’ go forever more.
A computer, exactly like ‘the brain’, can only ‘put out’, what has been ‘put in’ it. So, it is totally understandable why, if people have not yet been introduced to new or more ideas previously that those ideas can appear to be totally unfathomable. If ‘the information’ is not in ‘the brain/computer’, then NO computation can be done, as there is ‘not found’ only registering within the brain/computer.
But, the brain/computer is able to keep learning more and new/er things, as human evolution obviously proves so. However, and this is where the belief-system comes into play, while a person is believing, or even presuming, something is true, any conflicting, opposing, or contradiction new/er information can not and will not be ‘put into’ that brain/computer.
That brain will, literally, refuse to ‘see’, agree with, and accept anything that does not align with what it ‘currently’ believes, or presumes, is ‘what is true and right’.
This is WHY Openness has always been needed to learn and understand absolutely anything new/er or more. After all, it is obviously only with the Open Mind all new/er knowledge and learning and understanding of all knowledge has come from.
Although the One and only Mind, Itself, is alway Open, HOW and WHY people, themselves, become closed off from learning and understanding new/er or more things, is again, just because of what ‘the brain/computer’ has been ‘fed’, and which parts of ‘that information’ is believed or presumed to be true or not.
Maybe. But, the Fact is the Universe, Itself, of which there is only One, is infinite and eternal.
The Universe at Its most fundamental level is made up of ‘space’ and ‘matter’, which both of have always existed, or better always exist. ‘Space’ allows ‘matter’ to move about absolutely. When ‘matter’ interacts with itself, for a lack of a better word/term here now, ‘creating’ energy. Which is the source of ‘life’, itself. Due to this always interaction this Universe is in a constant state of reaction, every action causing a reaction, and this constantly always reaction is Creation, Itself.
This One and only Universe was never ‘created’ but is always IN Creation. Always evolving. And always evolved until It came to know thy Self. The Universe just had to wait, patiently, for a biological species to evolve with a brain/computer capability to gather enough information, and enough capacity to store that information as even ‘knowledge’, so that ‘I’ could finally come to recognise and know thy Self, fully.