Honesty & Openness

[anew1]

@greenfuse

The Reality of Trauma, Boundaries, the Danger of ‘Always’ and what needs to come first for many people.

One issue I would like to explore further is something I started touching upon earlier: people who have been abused—let’s use the specific example of sexual abuse—may not need to first learn how to be open and honest, but rather need to learn how to establish good boundaries and practice healthy caution around others.

People react to abuse in many different ways, but a very common pattern involves a severe struggle with boundary-setting, being overly trusting, or consistently putting oneself at risk. You could classify this as a deficit in healthy boundary management; you could call it submissive behavior, or you could call it “fawning.” It may also manifest as a chronic freeze response that has never been properly mobilized or loosened since the original trauma occurred.

Consequently, giving trauma survivors the blanket suggestion to “be open,” “withhold judgment on what others say until you are sure,” or “always be honest and answer questions honestly” is precisely the wrong prescription. For many who have navigated severe trauma, this isn’t just unhelpful; it is actively dangerous.

Well do not follow it. How simpler and easy can this get?

Look “greenfuse” if you were sexually abused as a child, and you did not like that, and you still have trust issues and still get scared when strangers out of the front of shops you frequent ask you for personal information, then, again, just be Honest and tell them the Truth. Just because you have been sexually abused does not mean that you can you that as an excuse for not being able to comprehend and understand very simple words and advice.

@greenfuse

The Mechanics of Predation

Why is this advice so harmful? Because information is leverage. People can easily weaponize personal details against you. This risks practical dangers like identity theft, but it also provides the exact raw material needed for psychological grooming and early-stage predatory manipulation. In fact, one of the primary traits that interpersonal predators actively look for is a lack of healthy boundaries. They look for individuals who stay open and self-disclose when they should be skeptical, guarded, or erring on the side of caution.

When a simple nine-step framework is presented as the proven formula to world peace and harmony—by someone who also claims it will entirely eliminate personal emotional suffering—it carries an incredibly intense, seductive appeal to vulnerable minds. I have been called a variety of names for simply pointing out these gaps and asking basic questions. It was only after a prolonged effort on my part that I finally extracted concessions that context actually matters—and that was only after weathering a gauntlet of condescension disguised as pedagogy. And even when these concessions came, the original ‘always’ formulation was also repeated, which is a kind of unintended gas-lighting.

Imagine quoting “artificial directly” before you even understood what is being said and meant.

LOL you start a thread about ‘the way’ to Peace and Harmony but then look for every excuse to not even begin to read and understand ‘the way’, while also already believing, absolutely, that ‘that way’ could never ever work.

LOL The very reasons I explain WHY these people took so very long to ‘catch up’ is, again, proved by ‘the way’ this one looks at things and writes.

Once again, there are no such things as “minds”. But, please do not allow this fact to override your own personal beliefs and presumptions. Which, again, are the very things that stop and prevent you people from finding, learning, and understanding the actual Truths in Life. Thus, they are very reasons WHY you people are still so far behind and have a very long way to ‘catch up’.

LOL “pedagogy” is the very thing that happens when one just looks at and reads ‘the process’.

you are not just way, way behind “greenfuse”, you are so far off field that it is hilarious to watch ‘this game’.

“greenfuse” still believes absolutely that until you others say and agree with what it believes is true, then you are absolutely in the wrong.

@greenfuse

The Trap of Binary Authority

Furthermore, many survivors of abuse struggle deeply with challenging an authority figure—especially one who, regardless of what they claim to feel internally, behaves with what would be in others hostile language the moment their ideas are questioned.

LOL Absolutely every one of you in the days when this is being written is a so-called “survivor of abuse”. So, any talk of “many survivors of abuse [do this or that]” is just ridiculousness.

Again, you have all been abused, which is exactly why you are so, so far behind here.

@greenfuse

This dynamic can easily replicate past trauma, pressuring a vulnerable person to remain open when they should close down, or to stay honest with individuals whose predatory intentions are not yet fully visible.

Look, you very obviously want to remain CLOSED, which is perfectly fine and okay, especially considering exactly what you went through, but suggesting others be exactly like you and do what you do is never going to help absolutely anyone, including you.

Why do you not stay absolutely closed and not introduce ‘any way’ to Peace and Harmony. you obviously prefer not to live ‘this way’.

@greenfuse

For these individuals, a legitimate first step toward healing might look like the exact opposite of absolute openness:

• Learning to build rigid boundaries.
• Practicing the word “No.”
• Making protective, defensive decisions early—even if they do not yet have all the variables or information.

you still have a very long way to go with your learning, understanding, and healing from your very traumatic, abusive upbringing, and if you believe that being here in this philosophy forum is helping you, then all well and good.

@greenfuse

In real life on the ground, waiting for full information before protecting yourself means the truth will arrive far too late to keep you safe.

Anyone who claims that everyone has been abused, and simultaneously claims to possess the ultimate blueprint for human harmony, should understand this fundamental psychological reality.

LOL I have not said a single word that said absolutely anyone let everyone ‘must’ read what you now call ‘the blueprints’, but yet this one has still come to some conclusion that this is what is being said here.

LOL If anyone is not interested in ‘the blueprint for human harmony’, then please, by all means, DO NOT read it.

@greenfuse

Presenting a rigid checklist with the mandate to “always do these things” is a recipe for absolute disaster.

LOL, LOL, LOL If this one showed any real interest and had read ‘the blueprint to human harmony’, then it would have clearly noticed that what it claims here is the very exact opposite of what is in ‘the blueprint to human harmony’.

LOL Could this one continually provide more irrefutable proof for what is said and claimed within ‘the blueprint for human harmony’ in regards to how the Mind and the brain work exactly?

This one continually just keeps proving that APE-thinking is the very reason why ones like this one are left behind, and literally remain so far behind.

Honestly, “greenfuse” you really have absolutely no idea nor clue as to how much you are helping prove ‘the blueprint to human harmony’ can and WILL work.

Anyone who knows you will be “proud” to have known you, as it was you help shape World Peace, although it happened for the exact opposite reasons of what you believed.

@greenfuse

You certainly do not protect or help people by punishing them with insults

AGAIN, they are NOT insults. But, AGAIN, you are absolutely free to believe whatever you like.

LOL AGAIN, if you were already Open and Honest, then you will already know what the actual Truth is here exactly.

@greenfuse

when they ask perfectly reasonable safety questions before applying those suggestions to their lives.

LOL “safety questions”. As opposed to ‘clarifying questions’.

One is asked from a closed perspective, seeking agreement. The other is asked from the open perspective, seeking clarification. Which one is which would be very obvious to an open person.

@greenfuse

Of course anyone always being honest is heading for some serious problems unless they are independently wealthy and have friends who can work with this. And generally taking small steps, especially in the beginning is likely wise.

So, supposedly, it is an ‘of course’ absolutely anyone always being honest is heading for some alleged ‘serious problems’, although what ‘these problems’ are exactly will never ever be acknowledged and shared.

BUT, LOL if anyone who is always honest is NOT heading for some serious problems if, for some completely unknown reason, they are “independently wealthy”, whatever that means, and they have friends “who can work with this”, whatever that also means.

As usual, there is more allusiveness here than any actual substance and clarity.

[greenfuse]

“And, if one is wondering if they should provide personal information to a stranger or not, then this has absolutely nothing to do with ‘the process’ to learning how to live in Peace and Harmony with everyone, as One.”

What anew1 fails to understand is that people do in fact take ideas like his and apply them in their real, physical lives - not just in the safe little life of the mind - and this leads to consequences. We’re not living in the perfect future he imagines. We live in a world with minor and major predators. There are many reasons for practical caution. The very odd thing is at times in this exchange he has acknowledged this. But despite this he doubles down on this…

“Look, if absolutely anyone asks you a question, then just provide them with your honest answer. Full stop.”

Note: now it is not even in suggestion form - it’s in the imperative. It’s as if he doesn’t remember that when asked a set of personal questions by me, earlier in this thread, he wisely opted not to answer those questions at all, let alone honestly. And certainly not with the full truth.

At no point does he engage with the idea that caution, progression and scaffolding are all necessary facets of learning either how to fly a helicopter or to move towards full honesty and openness. anew1 tells people to just hop in the deep end of the pool without them first learning how to float, tread water, do the doggy paddle, etc.

And since he is doing this online, when they do give a stranger personal information or honestly respond to questions from their boss it will have real life consequences. And if they tell the boss that when they honestly called him an idiot the boss may not take a response like the following well.

“Also, it believing, absolutely, that the ‘idiot’ word was used as an insult only goes to show just how closed it really and truly is.”

Sure, we know that anew1 sees humans as not the real self, each one as an ‘it’. But bosses often want to be treated with respect, just like people here do, but bosses have the power to make a lack of respect problematic. Furthermore, in the real world strangers asking for personal information, and upon being given it, begin processes with real world consequences for people living in the real world.

He won’t be there when they are thrashing around and flailing in the deep end of the poop (I meant pool, but my typo ‘poop’ is a good metaphor). Anew1 however will still have his perfect image of the future in his mind.

And let’s remember, it is not merely answering honestly but with the full truth:

I informed you that it is best tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth always.

Most people, interacting with authority figures, strangers, government agencies, neighbors, our children, employers, customers/clients for some, relatives of all kinds, understand from ongoing experience that without progression in steps from low stakes to high stakes and without having scaffolding for this process is deeply problematic.

[anew1]

@greenfuse

“And, if one is wondering if they should provide personal information to a stranger or not, then this has absolutely nothing to do with ‘the process’ to learning how to live in Peace and Harmony with everyone, as One.”

What anew1 fails to understand is that people do in fact take ideas like his and apply them in their real, physical lives - not just in the safe little life of the mind - and this leads to consequences. We’re not living in the perfect future he imagines. We live in a world with minor and major predators.

And you keep forgetting that you are one of the predators.

Although you will obviously be in denial, and so just reject this outright.

@greenfuse

“Look, if absolutely anyone asks you a question, then just provide them with your honest answer. Full stop.”

Note: now it is not even in suggestion form - it’s in the imperative. It’s as if he doesn’t remember that when asked a set of personal questions by me, earlier in this thread, he wisely opted not to answer those questions at all, let alone honestly.

LOL, LOL, LOL you could not have missed and misinterpreted any more here.

@greenfuse

At no point does he engage with the idea that caution, progression and scaffolding are all necessary facets of learning either how to fly a helicopter or to move towards full honesty and openness.

At just about no point have you been able to understand what I mean.

@greenfuse

anew1 tells people to just hop in the deep end of the pool without them first learning how to float, tread water, do the doggy paddle, etc.

you are an absolute complete idiot if you think this is true, let alone if you believe it is true. LOL I say the exact opposite, but at the moment, this one does not have the capacity to learn and understand.

@greenfuse

And since he is doing this online, when they do give a stranger personal information or honestly respond to questions from their boss it will have real life consequences.

Again, this one concluded the very opposite of what I say and claim.

@greenfuse

And if they tell the boss that when they honestly called him an idiot the boss may not take a response like the following well.

“Also, it believing, absolutely, that the ‘idiot’ word was used as an insult only goes to show just how closed it really and truly is.”

Sure, we know that anew1 sees humans as not the real self, each one as an ‘it’. But bosses often want to be treated with respect, just like people here do, but bosses have the power to make a lack of respect problematic.

LOL This one still believes money has some sort of power or control here.

Imagine having to have to live in a world where some call others “boss”.

Talk about providing an example of living in a world where “slavers” and “slaves” still existed.

And, imagine being an adult and having such low self-esteem that you feel ‘hurt’ or ‘insulted’ by the word ‘idiot’. This goes to show that if one is ‘hurt’ or ‘insulted’ by such a word, what they actually use that word for exactly. And, imagine living in a world were people were still trying to ‘hurt’ and ‘insult’ each other.

@greenfuse

Furthermore, in the real world strangers asking for personal information, and upon being given it,

LOL, LOL, LOL This one, still, believes, absolutely, that ‘the world’ that it lives in is the so-called ‘real world’. This is how delusional people like this one really were.

@greenfuse

Furthermore, in the real world strangers asking for personal information, and upon being given it, begin processes with real world consequences for people living in the real world.

LOL This one still believes that ‘this’ is what I am saying and meaning, even after I have informed it that I am NOT.

How stupid could one be?

@greenfuse

He won’t be there when they are thrashing around and flailing in the deep end of the poop (I meant pool, but my typo ‘poop’ is a good metaphor). Anew1 however will still have his perfect image of the future in his mind.

LOL “his mind”. Even after it is told what the irrefutable Truth is, it still refuses to consider it, let alone seek out absolutely any clarification and clarity at all .

Imagine being so stupid that what you have concluded and believed is true, which has come from your own personal assumptions, is what is the actual truth.

This one is trying its hardest to make claims of what I have been saying and meaning, yet anyone can very easily see that I have not been saying and meaning what it believes.

@greenfuse

And let’s remember, it is not merely answering honestly but with the full truth:

I informed you that it is best tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth always.

Most people, interacting with authority figures, strangers, government agencies, neighbors, our children, employers, customers/clients for some, relatives of all kinds, understand from ongoing experience that without progression in steps from low stakes to high stakes and without having scaffolding for this process is deeply problematic.

The reason why you still live in ‘a world’ that is what you call “problematic” is solely because of people exactly like you “greenfuse”. LOL Just about everything you to claim I am saying and meaning is completely and utterly False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and Incorrect, as already proved absolutely True.

Now, imagine trying to denounce something, like ‘the way to Peace and Harmony’, when you have never ever read or heard it.

What this one is trying to do here is more or less exactly what those who believed the sun revolves around the earth were trying to do as well. Their brain just can’t handle the idea that the actual Truth is the exact opposite of what they have been believing for most of their lives.

However, ‘the way to Peace and Harmony’ could never ever be Wrong. So, no matter how many ways or how often this one tries to denounce the Truth here, it will never ever succeed.

‘The way’, which again it has not even seen or heard, will always override this one’s Truly distorted beliefs and views here.

[Ichthus77 (Ichthus77 (formerly She™))]

I haven’t read this thread, but if it’s essence isn’t “The only thing worth getting serious about is everyone having fun” — scratch it & start over.

(I’m just stupid idiot that wants peace & harmony that even stupid idiots can enjoy.)

[Ichthus77 (Ichthus77 (formerly She™))]

@anew1

imagine trying to denounce something, like ‘the way to Peace and Harmony’, when you have never ever read or heard it

peacegirl, I presume?

[greenfuse]

Notice first off that anew1 makes no effort to use formal reasoning to explain what is wrong with the points I made about the importance in learning of progressive steps starting from low stakes and in a process that is scaffolded. Nothing. No reasoning at all. He calls me a predator, a complete idiot, says I misunderstand, says the truth is the opposite of what I say. Insults coupled with simple re-assertions that he is right and he ends with he could never, ever be wrong on this issue. Well, that is convincing. We now have been told it could never, ever be wrong. So, of course we should agree with this reasoning. This is his approach in a philosophy forum, which, as I’ve said, he is always reminding us we are participating in.

What this one is trying to do here is more or less exactly what those who believed the sun revolves around the earth were trying to do as well…

Actually, I haven’t contradicted his main thesis as those against the heliocentric model did try to do. Instead, I’ve pointed out problems in how he tells us to move forward. But perhaps he doesn’t read my posts.

“LOL This one, still, believes, absolutely, that ‘the world’ that it lives in is the so-called ‘real world’. This is how delusional people like this one really were.”

For readers, if any, who don’t know why he used the past tense here: anew1 is communicating with future generations, not the people alive today. The person who asked me if I have been diagnosed with a mental illness, is telling negative things about the present to the people of the future, who live in a utopia - and surely know what the past was like and do not need his help. This includes negative things about the people alive today.

“And, imagine being an adult and having such low self-esteem that you feel ‘hurt’ or ‘insulted’ by the word ‘idiot’.”

Imagine that. Well, that’s precisely what he’s done. He just made up what I said. While I didn’t say, for example that I was ‘hurt’, I did say it was an insult to call someone an idiot. Perhaps in the future ‘idiot’ means ‘great guy’. Thank you, anew1! I wonder what ‘complete imbecile’ means in the future. I may be reading this all incorrectly. Perhaps he’s even courting me.

LOL This one still believes money has some sort of power or control here. Imagine having to have to live in a world where some call others “boss”. Talk about providing an example of living in a world where “slavers” and “slaves” still existed.

So much for having empathy for people navigating actual, real-world problems.

[greenfuse]

@Ichthus77

peacegirl, I presume?

I doubt it. But Age and Ken, from PN, yes. I can see why you thought of peacegirl though.

[greenfuse]

@Ichthus77

(I’m just stupid idiot that wants peace & harmony that even stupid idiots can enjoy.)

Sounds wise.

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[Ichthus77 (Ichthus77 (formerly She™))]

feel free to disagree with my self-assessment

(just don’t look at my chess score)

[greenfuse]

@Ichthus77

feel free to disagree with my self-assessment

If you mean the fact that you called yourself a stupid idiot, I was using my response two ways: to disagree with the self-assessment and to agree with the want.

Sounds wise.

[Ichthus77 (Ichthus77 (formerly She™))]

Have fun or else, greenfuse.

[greenfuse]

Ah, yes, I remember day camp.

[Ichthus77 (Ichthus77 (formerly She™))]

Fine, don’t have fun.

[greenfuse]

I’m having fun. are you having fun?

[Ichthus77 (Ichthus77 (formerly She™))]

Having just heard about this… yes:

https://wapo.st/4fz9LCD

[anew1]

@greenfuse

Notice first off that anew1 makes no effort to use formal reasoning to explain what is wrong with the points I made about the importance in learning of progressive steps starting from low stakes and in a process that is scaffolded.

There is no point in using any reasoning to explain what is ‘just Wrong’. I say and mean one thing, you claim I’m saying and meaning the exact opposite. End of story.

The fact that you keep doing this, I enjoy very much. Again, you doing this proves, irrefutably, my claims here.

@greenfuse

Nothing. No reasoning at all. He calls me a predator, a complete idiot, says I misunderstand, says the truth is the opposite of what I say. Insults coupled with simple re-assertions that he is right and he ends with he could never, ever be wrong on this issue.

I know what I am saying and meaning. you obviously do not. Therefore, I cannot be wrong regarding what I mean. Very simple, really.

@greenfuse

Well, that is convincing. We now have been told it could never, ever be wrong. So, of course we should agree with this reasoning. This is his approach in a philosophy forum, which, as I’ve said, he is always reminding us we are participating in.

In philosophy discussions, it helps if you clarify when you are asked questions for clarity. you, unfortunately, do not do this. Therefore, you are actually hindering your own beliefs and claims here.

@greenfuse

What this one is trying to do here is more or less exactly what those who believed the sun revolves around the earth were trying to do as well…

Actually, I haven’t contradicted his main thesis and those against the heliocentric model did that model. I’ve pointed out problems in how he tells us to move forward.

Once again, it alludes only. And, if asked for clarification, it would then evade. The art of ‘the devil’.

@greenfuse

But perhaps he doesn’t read my posts.

LOL I point out its problems. But perhaps it doesn’t read my posts.

LOL That really says and explains a lot.

@greenfuse

For readers, if any, who don’t know why he used the past tense here: anew1 is communicating with future generations, not the people alive today.

LOL “greenfuse” is absolutely completely and utterly Wrong again. it is, once more, trying its very hardest to deceive and fool you, readers here.

Once again, I say and mean one thing, this one claims I said and meant the exact opposite.

Are you aware “greenfuse” just about every presumption, belief, and claim of yours that you share here is absolutely False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and/or Incorrect?

@greenfuse

he person who asked me if I have been diagnosed with a mental illness, is telling negative things about the present to the people of the future, who live in a utopia - and surely know what the past was like and do not need his help. This includes negative things about the people alive today.

And, once again, this one never provided any clarification here at all.

Again, because it has been abused so much, it has an irrational fear of just being open and honest with others. This is obviously a mental illness, which needs looking into and resolving.

@greenfuse

Imagine that. Well, that’s precisely what he’s done. He just made up what I said. While I didn’t say, for example that I was ‘hurt’,

So, when you claim that you have been ‘insulted’, do you feel ‘happy’ or ‘uplifted’, instead of ‘hurt’?

When others are insulting you, how does it feel for you if not ‘hurt’?

you appear to not have empathy and to not understand emotionals very well. But, considering how abused you were, this is not surprising at all.

@greenfuse

Perhaps in the future ‘idiot’ means ‘great guy’. Thank you, anew1! I wonder what ‘complete imbecile’ means in the future. I may be reading this all incorrectly. Perhaps he’s even courting me.

Again, instead of actually reading what does create Peace and Harmony for all, and then denouncing it if it does not work for it, it chooses to denounce what it has absolutely NO idea nor clue about instead

@greenfuse

LOL This one still believes money has some sort of power or control here. Imagine having to have to live in a world where some call others “boss”. Talk about providing an example of living in a world where “slavers” and “slaves” still existed.

So much for having empathy for people navigating actual, real-world problems.

LOL Imagine believing that “boss” and “slaves” make up the so-called ‘real world’.
Now, you are here trying to imply that you know what the so-called ‘real-world problems’ are exactly. So, will you provide a list of ‘them’ so we have something to actually look at and discuss this time?

Or, are you going to try to deflect and “run away” as you continually do instead?

[greenfuse]

“There is no point in using any reasoning to explain what is ‘just Wrong’.”

OK, he will not defend his position with reason. We are to take it on faith.

“I cannot be wrong regarding what I mean. Very simple, really.”

Well, that just doesn’t fit what you wrote earlier:

“However, ‘the way to Peace and Harmony’ could never ever be Wrong. So, no matter how many ways or how often this one tries to denounce the Truth here, it will never ever succeed. ‘The way’, which again it has not even seen or heard, will always override this one’s Truly distorted beliefs and views here.”

Clearly he is talking about his idea, the way to Peace and Harmony, could never, ever be wrong. This theory of his which has never been seen or heard. The amount times I asked him if he has presented this here, sigh, and now he says it has never been seen or heard. How he knows it even exists some people might wonder - gotta love that ‘some people might’ structure. I suppose it might have been tasted or smelled. Or prioreceptively felt. It obviously was not him saying he knows what he means.

“So, when you claim that you have been ‘insulted’, do you feel ‘happy’ or ‘uplifted’, instead of ‘hurt’? When others are insulting you, how does it feel for you if not ‘hurt’?”

It depends. But at this point coming from you, your insults do not bother me in the least. They are clearly a reaction to being disagreed with effectively enough so that you decide you will not use reason anymore. Do you get hurt always when people insult you? You claim never. I don’t understand why you even need to ask this question, given your own experience of insults.

“LOL Imagine believing that “boss” and “slaves” make up the so-called ‘real world’.”

He can’t even remember who introduced ‘slaves’ and ‘slavers’ to the thread.

OK, anew1 has decided that his beliefs on this issue can never, ever be wrong. It is so impossible that he could have anything to learn about the application of his ideas, he will not use reason to support his own position - in a philosophy forum, no less.

Fine.

He has relegated himself to doing what he has been doing in the last few posts and not doing philosophy.

While it can be fun pointing out the silliness of his insults, denials and sophistry, it is getting tedious.

I will continue to discuss the ideas brought up in the beginning of the thread and in general not respond to him. Should he actually engage in philosophy in some future post, I may well discuss something with him.

[anew1]

@greenfuse

“There is no point in using any reasoning to explain what is ‘just Wrong’.”

OK, he will not defend his position with reason. We are to take it on faith.

How many times do you need to be informed that your own personal interpretation of what I said and meant is not what I actually said and meant, before you comprehend and understand this fact?

I do not have to defend ‘my position’ when you do not even know what ‘my position’ is. you are trying to fight against ‘my position’, to defend some unknown position of yours’, but you do not even know ‘my position’. So, until someone knows what ‘my actual position’ is exactly, and wants to challenge me on ‘my actual position’, then, and only then, I will defend ‘my position’.

In case you still have not yet heard and understand, prove to the readers here what ‘my actual position’ is first, then we can have a logically reasoned discussion. Until then, you are on your lonesome here.

@greenfuse

“I cannot be wrong regarding what I mean. Very simple, really.”

Well, that just doesn’t fit what you wrote earlier:

Once more, not a shred of clarity. it, again, is extremely elusive in regard to what it is thinking about.

Not a single reader here knows what you are referring to. What, supposedly, does not fit with what exactly?

@greenfuse

“However, ‘the way to Peace and Harmony’ could never ever be Wrong. So, no matter how many ways or how often this one tries to denounce the Truth here, it will never ever succeed. ‘The way’, which again it has not even seen or heard, will always override this one’s Truly distorted beliefs and views here.”

Clearly

Once again, not a single second is put into considering what I am actually talking about. it just presumes it knows, and then responds to its own belief. It does not matter how False or Wrong its belief and presumption is, to “greenfuse” only it knows the truth.

@greenfuse

he is talking about his idea, the way to Peace and Harmony, could never, ever be wrong.

And, if “greenfuse” had any interest and reads it, what becomes clearly obvious is that ‘the way the process works’ it could never, ever be wrong.

I could explain exactly why it could never be wrong. But, I have learned not to share to much with this one.

@greenfuse

This theory of his which has never been seen or heard.

LOL 'This theory …". Again, “greenfuse” has never even considered looking at ‘the words’, but it has already concluded and believes absolutely that it is ‘a theory’.

@greenfuse

The amount times I asked him if he has presented this here, sigh, and now he says it has never been seen or heard.

Sigh

@greenfuse

How he knows it even exists some people might wonder - gotta love that ‘some people might’ structure.

yes you got to love that.

@greenfuse

I suppose it might have been tasted or smelled. Or prioreceptively felt. It obviously was not him saying he knows what he means.

LOL

@greenfuse

“So, when you claim that you have been ‘insulted’, do you feel ‘happy’ or ‘uplifted’, instead of ‘hurt’? When others are insulting you, how does it feel for you if not ‘hurt’?”

It depends. But at this point coming from you, your insults do not bother me in the least.

LOL it still believes, with absolute certainty, that ‘my words’ are insults. Which goes to show just how closed it really is, and therefore proves, irrefutably, how absolutely stupid it really is here.

@greenfuse

They are clearly a reaction to being disagreed with effectively enough so that you decide you will not use reason anymore.

Once more, for the Truly stupid, you are not even disagreeing with what I have written and meant.

Again, you are disagreeing with what you have Falsely and Wrong interpreted I am said and meant.

When will you come to understand this fact?

LOL “disagreed with effectively enough”. you really do make me laugh “greenfuse”.

@greenfuse

Do you get hurt always when people insult you?

LOL ‘you’ could never insult ‘me’ “greenfuse”

@greenfuse

You claim never. I don’t understand why you even need to ask this question, given your own experience of insults.

I don’t understand why a person would start a thread about ‘my way to Peace and Harmony’, but not even start to look into finding out what is involved in the nine steps.

@greenfuse

LOL Imagine believing that “boss” and “slaves” make up the so-called ‘real world’."

He can’t even remember who introduced ‘slaves’ and ‘slavers’ to the thread.

LOL It was “greenfuse” who introduced the word “boss”. Which obviously means that there must be “slaver” and “slave”. But, then it goes on to try to claim what it just did here.

@greenfuse

OK, anew1 has decided that his beliefs on this issue can never, ever be wrong.

LOL Once again, “greenfuse” has concluded and believed another thing that is completely and utterly False and Wrong.

I have not decided what “greenfuse” just claimed.

I have, by the way, already explained how and why “greenfuses” belief here is absolutely False and Wrong.

@greenfuse

It is so impossible that he could have anything to learn about the application of his ideas, he will not use reason to support his own position - in a philosophy forum, no less.

NO one has yet challenged nor questioned me on ‘my position’.

If, and when, one does, then I can start and will use reason to support ‘my position’.

As can be very clearly seen throughout this thread “greenfuse” has not yet challenged ‘me’ on ‘my position’.

@greenfuse

Fine.

See how, once again, it has concluded something, before any clarification was sought, and then it believes its concluded version is absolutely true and right.

@greenfuse

He has relegated himself to doing what he has been doing in the last few posts and not doing philosophy.

As can be very clearly seen here, “greenfuse” does not even know what philosophy is. “greenfuse” also does not know how to provide clarity.

@greenfuse

While it can be fun pointing out the silliness of his insults, denials and sophistry, it is getting tedious.

Great. Hopefully, you will finally do what you claimed you had already done a few times already but have clearly not.

you believe that it is not right and good to be honest all of the time, which is why you are dishonest here

@greenfuse

I will continue to discuss the ideas brought up in the beginning of the thread and in general not respond to him.

So, it is dishonest again.

@greenfuse

Should he actually engage in philosophy in some future post, I may well discuss something with him.

LOL “greenfuse” will not inform you readers what the word ‘philosophy’ here means or is referring to exactly.

[anew1]

@greenfuse

But at this point coming from you, your insults do not bother me in the least.

This contradicts you previous remarks.

your responses prove otherwise.

[greenfuse]

More ineffective insults. Yet another attempt to give someone else the onus he bears for his claims. A radically idiosyncratic idea of what the words ‘boss’ and ‘slaves’ mean.

No reasoning, just assertions. Fine. Nothing there of interest.