This is a positive behavior Right?
And, it seems that you are more angry,
LOL AGAIN, this one proves that it does absolutely nothing at all to obtain clarity and understanding, and instead continues to just look at and see things from its own assumptions and beliefs only.
But I have not directly nor indirectly denied this.
It is you who has directly denied this.
Well, at least you admitted you were angry, with the addition of your usual legal loopholes.
I have denied that I think you lie and I have denied I have said that you lie? Nah. You’re making shit up. Here’s me doing it again, openly. I quoted your denial of it, which of course you left out of your response.
So, I show a smoking gun. I own exactly what you tell me I don’t own. None of this matters.
Because you simply either cannot notice or cannot admit things like this about yourself.
There is nothing more to learn from you at this time. If I find more of your idiocy or if there are off-topic tangents where I disagree but don’t think you are being an idiot, I’ll use this thread. This way we avoid hijacking other people’s discussions. Given the reasons you have said for why you are here in the forum, I understand that you don’t give a shit about that.
Why are ‘you’ asking “yourself” a question here, and then answering it here?
What “shit” do you presume or believe I am making up here?
Also, why would I make up “shit” here?
Here is you doing what again, supposedly?
But I did not deny it. Have you forgotten that it was you who denied it?
I have not seen a ‘smoking gun’. Where did you show a ‘smoking gun’, exactly?
What did ‘I’ tell ‘you’ you do not own?
And, why do you own why I supposedly said you do not own?
Okay. But why bring up and mention what did not even supposedly matter anyway?
If this is what you really want to believe is absolutely true, then you are absolutely free to do so.
Okay.
Okay.
But let ‘us’ all not forget that you still do not yet know the reasons. your misunderstandings here have led you astray.
So, what you claim to understand here is clearly very Wrong as well.
But, then again, what does not give a “shit” even mean, exactly, and actually anyway?
Not that you will answer and clarify.
Yes, I do. Not constantly (again binary) but certainly a lot. I don’t deny that.
You however directly denied that.
And, if ‘I’ was as stupid as you have shown and like ‘you’ ‘I’ would believe that ‘you’ are lying, and claim that you are not being honest with “yourself”.
You can’t even be honest about the fact that you constantly assume and assert you can tell when people are not being honest. And not just me. You regularly do this and similar types of ‘mind-reading’. But like many a narcissist you don’t remember details, you focus on what ‘gets’ the other person in the moment. So, there it seemed like it would get me if you claimed you didn’t do what you said I was doing and further that I would not admit it. But I do and have admit it and because of your weak central coherence or narcissism or both, temporarily forgot you do the same.
It seems to bother you that you are human. It would likely be best not to interact with other people because they will not find this never-getting-angry God you think you are, but another fallible, cranky human. In fact, an extremely cranky human.
Again, I was not talking about that.
But I was not even referring to that. Either that ego cannot see that it you have just forgotten what that was.
But it is not that at all. you are still not yet aware at all what it is exactly.
Anew style of communication:
- State something or act in a specific manner
- Deny it ever happened or claim that the opposition just doesnt understand
- Never elaborate or explain
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Also look up the concept known as well-poisoning in conjunction with irrational misinformation.
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Nice. I had to look that up. I see what you mean. I think that’s a strong addition.
There’s something similar that it reminds me of. If you can get someone or a group to deny something obvious, it is easier the next time. Even if it is merely politeness or confusion about how to respond. If you more or less nod and the conversation goes on, you’ve already undermined yourself to a degree. That’s why it can sometimes be a great tactic to lie big. Lie small, and people are likely to quibble and get in their. Lie big and they are stunned. Being confusing is also very effective.
I’ve had some terrible bosses. But the ones who come forward directly are easier to deal with. If they are expressing strong emotion, it leaves more room for me to. Usually I understand, even if I disagree. But weird/confusing/less direct attacks used to make my face go sort of numb. It was like: something is happening that feels bad, but I don’t know what it is.
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Really what it is anymore in this post modern era of the internet whole entire governments don’t like website social mediums that they don’t control under direct censorship or state intervention by mass surveillance. The free flow of information, communication, and ideas is becoming a threat to governments worldwide especially on a philosophy forum like this where unpopular philosophical expressions not favored by governments might become expressed to a larger audience.
Anywhere that there is a huge number of people or an international presence where people congregate on the internet from all over the world if the government cannot control it they try to shut it down.
One popular method is to flood an entire website with non-sensical gibberish and schizophrenic posting to make a place unusable for its users. You make it appear that the majority of a website’s user base are insane or schizophrenic to the point of being a bunch of mental defectives. This scares all the smart intelligent people away from a website.
Well-poisoning and misinformation combined.
If they cannot control or shut down a portion of the internet they wage psychological warfare operations against it. It’s as simple as that.
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Its inaccurate to say “governments”.
Thats too broad a generalization. Its the globalists and their lackeys. Not more and not less.
Its important to call the cancer by it’s name. Its the Davos type multi trillionaire class like Bill Gates and the rest that have subscribed to and caused all of this change.
Which is why it will become more important than ever before in human history. To have a solid understanding of one’s own self.
As long as you understand your own truth and you are capable of understanding when it’s not being addressed, you will be able to retain your identity and individuality.
Those who are not capable of that, will be instantly swept away simply by the need of wanting to belong to the majority, wanting to be affirmed, wanting to be reinforced. And like cattle they will follow what they perceive to be the herd. Even if the herd is just 37 bots ran by these billionaire animals.
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If you have proof that I have stated something or acted in a specific manner, which I have denied it ever happened, then will you provide that proof? Otherwise, you are just stating an opinion, presumption, or belief of yours only, and not supporting your claim at all.
When someone claims something and they do not provide the actual proof for the claim, for example, that they know how another feels, then we all know that what that person claims could be False or Wrong and do it is up to them to proof their claim is True and/or Right.
However, it appears here that some people believe that it is not the “claimer” who has the ‘burden of proof’ here but the one who denied that what the “claimer” claims about how ‘they’ are feeling is the one who has to proof what they deny. Which really is very backwards thinking.
By the way, the description of ‘gaslighting’ you provided here provides a perfect example of what “greenfuse” does here when it tells me how I am feeling, and how it responds when I tell it I do not feel that way.
So, thank you for providing a great description of what “greenfuse” has been doing here.
Now, if absolutely thinks it believes that ‘I’ have been what is called ‘gaslighting’ here, then provide the exact specific examples, so ‘we’ have something to look at and discuss. you know, exactly like what I just did.
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Again, sounds exactly like what “you” and “atla” have been ‘trying to’ do, and which now others have joined you two.
These people really could not see that what they are literally showing and proving through their very own words are great examples of what the “masses” have done many times over throughout human history. That is; bandy together to fight against, destroy, or kill ‘the ones’ who just present the enlightened Truth to them. For example, “socrates”, “galileo”, “tesla”, and “jesus” instantly ‘come to mind’, as some call it.
But, when the “masses” are not yet aware they are in a cult, this is just the unfortunate for them consequences. As the cult these people here are in is having the light shine upon it it, these people are slowly dwindling away and disappearing.
LOL The more they ‘try to’ fight for their beliefs, presumptions, and claims while not even trying to address and back up and support their claims with actual proof, then the more stupid and foolish they are obviously looking and revealing “themselves” to be here.
LOL These ones are now even providing perfect examples of the very things they “themselves” are doing, while at the same time not even providing any examples of when ‘I’ have ever done those things.
One only has to read their writings to very easily see and notice that they just keep alluding to that is what ‘I’ am doing, while never providing any actual example of when ‘I’ have. While ‘I’, ‘on the other hand’, have provided the very specific times and examples of when they do it.
Which makes what is happening and occuring here even more funnier to watch play out.
Well since I have not lied here, and laughably not in what these people call “big” or “small” lies at all, then what this one is referring to must be in regards to what these people “themselves” do and have done. Unless, of course, LOL they are now going to ‘try to’ make the claim that they do not lie.
If these people are still confused by what they or are others have said here, then this is further proof that they have not been listening and thus still do not know how to rid “themselves” if misunderstandings and confusion.
LOL As can be seen here some people even ‘try to’ argue that that their beliefs, and their confusions and misunderstandings, are what must occur in Life. Which goes to show just how strong some of their beliefs, confusion, and misunderstandings really are.
This one continually harps on about its “bosses”, and the cult it lives in, but still is completely oblivious to the Fact that it is in a cult and is under its control.
Imagine even calling some people your “boss” while at the same time denying that you are being controlled and led.
This is just further proof that this one is under ‘the control of others and the cult it is in’.
it is being led and following in ways that it cannot even recognise and describe yet.
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It is great when people are ‘waking up’ and ‘becoming more aware’, like this one continually shows.
But, it is a slow and gradual process that has to happen slow and gradually as to not wake the “beast”, as some call it, to suddenly.
‘We’ had to work on people like “greenfuse” and “atla” very gently, as those like these two were the greatest fighters and defenders of Wrong. They were just like the strongest “nazi” fighters and defenders. These two are so completely oblivious and caught up in ‘the system’, that they ended up being being the greatest “fighters and defenders” of that completely False and Wrong system and cult.
Just maybe what appears to be nonsensical gibberish and/or schizophrenic postings to some people, was used to show people how the people’s in the past and/or who were in ‘the cult’ were actually thinking and misbehaving by ‘the way’ they responded to some chosen particular wording.
Se, in order to start the creation of ‘world peace’ one would obvious not copy and follow on with what was perceived as the 'sensible and non schizophrenic communication’s that went if for millennia beforehand but which came to uncovering one resolution nor answer to any of the philosophical not meaningful questions in Life.
LOL These people literally thought or believed that if they kept communicating in the same old ways over and over again that they would expect different results. LOL Although they had been trying ‘that same way’ for thousands upon thousands of years.
Or, just the ones that know that they cannot argue logically against proof and facts.
What some of these people here are ‘trying to’ “well-poisoning and misinformation” is just ‘new information’, which did not align with their ‘current’ belief, and is just a relative new term to ‘try to’ discredit those who introduce Facts that cannot be disproven.
For example, if these people lived in the time when it was being proposed that actually it is the earth that revolves around the sun and not the other way around, then they would be calling that irrefutable Fact “well-poisoning and misinformation” as well.
Do you have any actual proof of this?
If yes, then will you provide it?
If no, then why not?
Or, is this just another one if those imagined or thought to be true things, but which you have not yet obtained any actual proof for?
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LOL, LOL, LOL
But this is not “too broad a generalization”, right?
Who and/or what are the so-called “globalists” exactly? And, who and/or what are so-called “lackeys” exactly?
What ‘change’ are you imagining and/or referring to here, exactly?
Notice how the people back in the days when this was being written would pick “a side”, and then ‘fight to the death’ for “that side”, and if any information was put forward that did not align with “that side” then it automatically and instantly decided, called, and known as “misinformation”.
And, it did not matter what perceived “side” one was on.
And, this understanding is not known until ‘you’ people can also provide the True and Right answer to the question ‘Who am I?’ properly, Accurately, and Correctly as well.
Until ‘you’ people can also do it, ‘you’ obviously do not understand thy Self at all.
LOL, LOL, LOL
Here it can be clearly seen that they were still ‘trying to’ fight for and defend “their own personal truths”, even when they obviously did not align with the One and only Truths at all.
Which is why so many of them were continually ‘trying to’ rally more support in their fight against anyone who presents anything that opposes what they were ‘currently’ believing was the truth.
They, like cattle, will follow the herd, even if what the herd believes is absolutely completely False and/or Wrong. Like, for example,
They each have their own mind.
The Universe began and/or is expanding.
A peaceful and harmonious world is impossible.
They will just keep following Falsehoods no matter how Wrong they are. As these forums are proving for me over and over again.
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I think they are very happy to have controversies on social media between opposed factions of regular income people. Anything that enhances the illusion that the enemy is someone with relatively little power and the important issues are social value issues rather than power issues is a godsend to them.
I suppose this might be a sort of psyop. I can’t tell. The percentage of the loopy is certainly higher on the philosophy forums I’m aware of. And by the way, I don’t think loopy is content, I think it is form. Philosophy should have people representing challenging ontologies. But it’d be nice if it wasn’t word salad or guru/cult leader in style.
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Of course some people conflate having the proof in their own head which they do not present with having presented a proof. If they are asked to prove everyone is in a cult. They, for example, demand the other person define cult, even though they made the assertion. They spend as much time as possible getting the other people to defend their use of terms, rather than proving the assertion they made. Another strategy they have is to say they did prove it - for example with list of ten nouns - but the other person cannot ‘see’ it. As the request for proof repeats, they begin to insult the people who had the temerity to put them in a position to actually prove what they say they can prove. In one case, someone who kept saying it was the fault of the person who did not consider the ten nouns a proof, that someone finally started to actually do some reasoning, but for some reason then warned that it might take 600 pages. Then that it might take more. Along with more insults. IOW it took, I don’t know, 20 pages of requests to get the asserter to even consider that 10 nouns did not consitute a proof. When the interlocutor was told it might take 600 more pages and that might not be enough, he opted not to be led by the nose from someone who could not even admit their own criterion for a proof eliminated their example of an experiential proof. Polite questioning about the contradiction met with insults. And yet the interlocutor is told he is running away when he finds the Waiting for Godot situation ridiculous. IOW the asserter resorts to mind-reading claims that not surprisingly mean his way of communicating has nothing to do with the problems, and that his inablity to admit important mistakes - such as the obvious problem with his experiential proof example and definition - is completely absent. When problems are pointed out or even merely asked about he goes on the attack.
Though sometimes, this individual just starts his first responses in a thread with condescension, insults and mind-reading. It is not always a defense mechanism.
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Well, you put yourself in some extremely skilled company. I’m sorry you feel like I may be an actual threat to your life. Perhaps you should consider that your ideas are not you and when we disagree or critique your ideas we are not trying to kill you. The irony is that I have tried to get you to actually present your ideas and demonstrate their validity. When that gets problematic for you, you say that I don’t have the right attitude. You could of course, just present your ideas, like the people in the group you think you are a member of.
But of course, you have said you are not here to justify your claims, despite thinking others should do this.
anew1: Have you SERIOUSLY FORGOTTEN ALREADY that I USE ‘you’, peoples, in the days of when this is being written, to PROVE my CLAIMS are True to ‘future generations’?
Once more, I am not here in philosophy forums to justify my claims and assertions.
BUT ‘I’ have told you numerous times already that ‘I’ am the One that knows all these things that ‘you’ say no one knows.
greenfuse: Are you infallible when it comes to knowing what is True and Real?
Yes, and this is just because of the formula I have and the process I use.
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