Hopi Bear Prophecy: fact or fiction?

[Echo]

For those of you who don’t know, the Hopi tribe is a Native American population of less than 7,000 located on the borders of Arizona and Colorado.

This is their prophecy: welcomehome.org/rainbow/prophecy/hopi1.html

The transformed elder brother, the True White Brother, will wear a red cloak or a red cap, similar to the pattern on the back of a horned toad. He will bring no religion but his own, and will bring with him the Tiponi tablets. He will be all-powerful; none will be able to stand against him. He will come swiftly, and in one day gain control of this entire continent. It is said, “If he comes from the East, the destruction will not be so bad. But if he comes from the West, do not get up on your housetops to see because he will have no mercy.”

The True White Brother will bring with him two great, intelligent and powerful helpers, one of whom will have a sign of a swastika (a masculine symbol of purity), and the sign of the sun. The second great helper will have the sign of a celtic cross with red lines (representing female life blood) between the arms of the cross.

Ummm…sorry…excuse me one moment but…

Were these not emblem signs of Hitler and current Neo-Nazi white supremacists?? True WHITE brothers?

Shocking, isn’t it?

Let’s read further…

When the Great Purification is near, these helpers will shake the earth first for a short time in preparation. After they shake the earth two times more, they will be joined by the True White Brother, who will become one with them and bring the Purification Day to the world. All three will help the “younger brother” (the Hopi and other pure-hearted people) to make a better world. In the prophecies, the two helpers are designated by the Hopi word for “population,” as if they were large groups of people.

And did Hitler not desire to purify the earth, and the races, and eliminate the ‘evil’ that destroyed them?

The Hopi were warned that if these three great beings failed, terrible evil would befall the world and great numbers of people would be killed. However, it was said that they would succeed if enough Hopi remained true to the ancient spirit of their people. The True White Brother and his helpers will show the people of earth a great new life plan that will lead to everlasting life. The earth will become new and beautiful again, with an abundance of life and food. Those who are saved will share everything equally. All races will intermarry and speak one tongue and be a family.

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Here’s another interesting fact about the Hopis. Their albinism rate is 1 in 200 (higher than any other in the world). You might be wondering why this is relevant. Well, from a biological perspective, albinism is the most dominant form of evolution for the human race. The white and asian races are a result of african albinism genes being inbred, later becoming permanently encoded in their DNA. The incidence of albinism among blacks is nearly 4 times greater than of whites.

The insane contrast between the African and Native American races, however, is even greater.

Blacks have the most diverse gene pool of any other race, while the Native Americans and Pacific Islanders have the least diverse gene pool. Reason being the amount of inbreeding and distance from their African ancestry. Native Americans are said to be the most closely related to eachother than any other race, and the most they can be connected to any other is Asian origin and very little European.

So, in other words, more inbreeding sets the stage for more evolution to occur, and this means less genetic variation for the offspring to receive…

This comes with many implications.

Africans are actually much healthier and susceptible to less disease. But, through evolution comes a weeding out of desirable and undesirable traits…which eventually leads to new mutations and paves the way for new arrivals to thrive or die off.

The incidence of albinism in the Hopi tribe alone is evidence enough to show that we are coming to an evolutionary breakthrough. The most amount of mutation coming from the least diverse race could be the next step to not only a new race, but possibly even species.

Could the Hopis be right?

Will they be the last race standing?

[Leander]

@Echo

Well, from a biological perspective, albinism is the most dominant form of evolution for the human race. The white and asian races are a result of african albinism genes being inbred, later becoming permanently encoded in their DNA. The incidence of albinism among blacks is nearly 4 times greater than of whites.

Your confused. Albinism is a congenital disorder, it has nothing to do with evolution. Race is not just about skin color, as that is only a physical marker to other traits… one amongst many. Consider, for example, primates such as chimpanzees are grouped into different races, some are pale skinned and some black with underlying physical differences, yet they all have black hair. If lighter skin were the result of albinism then the hair color of light skinned primates would be lighter as well. It isn’t.

Blacks have the most diverse gene pool of any other race

And not surprisingly primates have a more diverse gene pool than homonids.

Africans are actually much healthier and susceptible to less disease.

Africans have the shortest life expectancies in the world. Orientals probably live the longest.

But, through evolution comes a weeding out of desirable and undesirable traits…which eventually leads to new mutations and paves the way for new arrivals to thrive or die off.

But are the primitive phenotypes eliminated by the more evolved ones? That is the uncomfortable question for the liberal mind.

The most amount of mutation coming from the least diverse race could be the next step to not only a new race, but possibly even species.

Species are created over vast periods of time in a gradual process, not immediatey as a result of ‘mutations’ (when mutations such as those you are discussing do occur they are nearly always dangerous to the organism, ie, albinism)

Will they be the last race standing?

To all intents and purposes the Hopi’s are already extinct. Their prophecies are only childish comforters, like a bed bound cripple might imagine himself healthy and fit one day.

[Humpty]

@Echo

Well, from a biological perspective, albinism is the most dominant form of evolution for the human race. The white and asian races are a result of african albinism genes being inbred, later becoming permanently encoded in their DNA. The incidence of albinism among blacks is nearly 4 times greater than of whites.

So all white people are albino, but black people are 4 times more likely to be albino than white people…were you on fucking drugs when you posted this? Well, you probably were, so I forgive you.

[Echo]

Face…palm…

Why do I bother posting here? Every comment I receive is so utterly arrogant and uninformed it’s ridiculous.

[Deep breath]

K…let me explain. I have not been talking out my ass in hopes that no one would ask questions. Next time, before criticizing me, make sure to research what you’re criticizing.

Scientists Find A DNA Change That Accounts For White Skin

OCA2, is associated with the third longest haplotype on a high frequency SNP anywhere in the genome for Europeans (Voight et al, 2006). The OCA2gene is associated with Type II oculocutaneous albinism, which is an autosomal recessive disorder in which the biosynthesis of melanin pigment is reduced in the skin, hair, and eyes. OCA2 is also the most common form of albinism found in African and African-American patients (Spritz et al, 2004; Stevens et al, 2004).

Only 2 people on the earth exhibit the Therine characteristics/phenotypes: albinos and Caucasians. It must also be stated that the main deficiency in both groups is the inability to produce tyrosinase (TYR), TYRP1, and SLC45A2… Those are the key enzyme and genes, respectively, in melanin metabolism.

Whites (and Asians) have a permanent albino gene; they simply lack melanin pigment. As for the rest, I don’t find worthy of reply.

@Humpty

So all white people are albino, but black people are 4 times more likely to be albino than white people…were you on fucking drugs when you posted this? Well, you probably were, so I forgive you.

I’ll leave this one alone. Maybe after thinking about it for a few more hours, you’ll be able to figure out what logically failed here. You should be really embarrassed at how obvious the answer is when/if you get to it.

I’ll be waiting for my apology.

[Humpty]

nope, still not getting it. maybe i’m just stupid, but from my perspective, if one group of people is composed 100% of albino people, and another group of people is composed of less than 100% of albino people, it cannot make sense to say that members of the second group are more likely to be albino…so…no apology here.

[Echo]

If we evolved from a racial group that has the highest incidence of albinism, then there is an increased chance for this race to produce other races of lighter color…

We are not albino in the sense of that we come directly from dark, melanin pigmented people and are born with no color, but through a looong timeline of these types of mutants reproducing only among each other, later leading to a permanent settling within their DNA.

Inbreeding leads to more mutation so just imagine adding onto that a recessive characteristic like albinism. The result is a new race very different than the last.

[Humpty]

do you have evidence that that’s the case? you realize that Caucasians can get tanned, right. albinos cannot. white people can produce melanin. i think your belief that white people are evolved from albinos is based on superficial evidence - just that we’re both light skinned - and not actual science or logic. however, if you have legitimate evidence, please share it.

[Echo]

Umm…yes.

In fact, there’s as much evidence that we are descended from albinos as there is anything else written in our genetic code showing this or that mutation happened to create a branch of race.

You effed up trying to mock what I said and now you continue to say silly things that show how clueless you were to begin with.

[Humpty]

i asked you for evidence. it’s weird that i would ask you, and you’d claim that there’s much of it, but you wouldn’t provide it. it’s really weird. is it that inconvenient for you?

[Echo]

Mutations in the OCA2, SLC45A2, TYR, and TYRP1 genes cause oculocutaneous albinism.

1. OCA2, is associated with the third longest haplotype on a high frequency SNP anywhere in the genome for Europeans (Voight et al, 2006).
2. Whites with northern and western European ancestry have a mutated version of the gene known as slc24a5
3. Whites don’t have the ability to produce tyrosinase (TYR), TYRP1,

There are currently four categories of albinism. Type 2 is almost indistinguishable from European traits and the most commonly found in Africans, while type 4 is more common in Koreans and Japanese.

The only way for albinism to become dominant, and later a race, is for inbreeding to occur.

[Echo]

And yes, it is inconvenient and off topic. You’re way behind the class. Had you done your homework, we could be somewhere else in this discussion.

[Humpty]

@Echo

Had you done your homework, we could be somewhere else in this discussion.

HAHA, right, because it’s so natural that we all feel the need to research the genetic roots of albinism. It was ridiculous of me NOT to know that. Haha.

Anyway, I don’t accept that as proof. But, feel free to ignore that. Carry on with the people more willing to accept your premises.

[Leander]

@Echo,

Your making the a priori assumption that our homonid ancestors all use to have black skin when there is no scientific justification for such a belief (beyond politics). Simplicity first, do not complicate an explanation beyond what is sufficiently neccessary to explain a phenomena.

He’s clearly in disagreement with you.

[Ignoramus]

How funny.

Can you see the fur covering the skin?

An exposed skin in environments with long periods of sunlight produces the environmental adaptation of skin pigmentation.

Begin thinking more with your mind and less with your heart.

[Echo]

This isn’t about resemblance. This is about in-your-face genetic code with in-your-face albinism. You’re beating a dead horse. I gave you evidence, and to save face, both of you are coming up with some awful ways to dismiss it.

Your logic:

There had to have been other skin colors than black in Africa because chimps have light colored skin. White people must’ve come from the light colored chimps.

News flash, we don’t exactly have fur either. Why not just say we came from the chimps that walked on two legs and smoked cigarettes. Has to be, because that’s what humans look like now! Such assumptions make perfect sense to you, yet when you’re given scientific proof from a lab that connects white skin to albinism it’s just going too far, right?

[Leander]

@Echo

Your logic:

There had to have been other skin colors than black in Africa because chimps have light colored skin. White people must’ve come from the light colored chimps.

It’s not a case of there had to be, there were. As I stated simplicity first. Since different races exist within the primate world there is no basis on which to assume all homonids were originally part of one race; that is an idea nurtured by liberalism and Christianity. There never was only one race and on that note the ‘scientitifc research’ you used to support your argument must also be wrong.

(Different homonids lineages did not evolve simultaneously you know)

Such assumptions make perfect sense to you, yet when you’re given scientific proof from a lab that connects white skin to albinism it’s just going too far, right?

It doesn’t matter what respected authority such ‘proof’ comes from, if it doesn’t add up it must be discarded.

News flash, we don’t exactly have fur either.

Hair, fur… same thing.

“I think human beings are extremely insecure and look to visual cues of sameness to feel better, and people will do bad things to people who look different,” Cheng said.

This is your so called ‘scientist’, nothing more than a childish liberal mind frightened of reality. This is enough to set alarm bells ringing regarding his ‘research’.

[Echo]

Because one of his statements sounds liberal, this is room for dismissal of his research?

Wow.

I’m done here.

[Echo]

And by the way, this study was conducted on zebra fish. Of course there are albino animals and different skin tones because of different mutations and genes! That’s the idea.

Every single one of us has DNA tracing directly back to Africa. There is no ‘maybe’. I don’t know what you think you’re arguing here but it’s really become quite boring.

[Leander]

@Echo

Because one of his statements sounds liberal, this is room for dismissal of his research?

Wow.

I’m done here.

The trolling is becoming tedious. His liberal politics merely compounds the lie.

See how attractive liberal ideas are to non whites and women? Isn’t that only another example of the intellectual superiority of the white male?

And by the way, this study was conducted on zebra fish. Of course there are albino animals and different skin tones because of different mutations and genes! That’s the idea.

Mutated from what? Without the physical remains of our ancestors to test you only have comparisons between living groups and political ideals. The ancestors of modern whites would have been more genetically varied than their modern counterparts, but there’s no logical reason why they’d ever have to have been black.

Every single one of us has DNA tracing directly back to Africa.

You’re confusing a biological agent with a geo-political construct. There are some connections there sure, but Africa being filled with blacks today doesn’t mean that because humans originate from there they must have all been black too.

[Echo]

@Leander

The trolling is becoming tedious. His liberal politics merely compounds the lie.

See how attractive liberal ideas are to non whites and women? Isn’t that only another example of the intellectual superiority of the white male?

You sure are fast to jump on your superiority over women when you lose an argument to one.

Mutated from what? Without the physical remains of our ancestors to test you only have comparisons between living groups and political ideals. The ancestors of modern whites would have been more genetically varied than their modern counterparts, but there’s no logical reason why they’d ever have to have been black…

You’re confusing a biological agent with a geo-political construct. There are some connections there sure, but Africa being filled with blacks today doesn’t mean that because humans originate from there they must have all been black too.

You’re right, excuse me. What was I thinking… for all we know they could’ve been green, and 3ft martians at that. However, this doesn’t change the fact that we all came from the bushmen tribe.

Yup, those are her grandparents.