How do people view jazz?

The guy that had the real way forward died of a diabetes attack. He recorded the greatest jazz album ever made with Joh Coltrane (one of the Village Vanguard recordings wirh India and Brazil).

The critics demolished it and Coltrane didn’t have the self confidence to pursue. There are easily 60 more years in that approach.

jazz is virtuosity at its peak accompanied by something to say, all being said socially, usually in a jazz group. The singers are also tremendously expressive. Immediately comes to mind Cassandra Wilson and the recent Gabrielle Cavassa

@KnoxsterLobster

As someone once said, "New ways of making music require new ways of listening ".

From what I can tell, most have a simplistic understanding of music and typically are are irrationally defensive about it. In other words they lack the humility to admit that the problem is with their lack of understanding rather than the music itself.

First time I heard Ornette Coleman’s “Free Jazz” many years ago I lacked the frame of reference to even begin to find value in it. Decided that given that many do find value in it, the problem must be with me. Later I came to find much value in it.

The more you put into it, the more you can take away away from it. This is true not only of jazz, but anything of depth and quality.

Had the same experience hearing 8 Miles High, Purple Haze, and Shattered.

Years after Hendrix’s death they released a remastered cleaned up HD version , as if something had to be done about the fuzz box.

Hendrix primarily used the Dallas Arbiter Fuzz Face

What instrument do you play?

Just so that we know what you are talking about, in what way is jazz misrepresented?

To me, the world of jazz music is the main home where improvisational playing (on pretty much any instrument) is not only the name of the game,…

…but it is also where the less cool kids in the symphony orchestras (trumpet, trombone, flute, double bass, etc.,) can be the super stars of the show.

Although I personally have never been drawn to traditional jazz music, I, nevertheless. deeply appreciate the presence of virtuosity in any genre of music, and there are plenty of virtuosos in the world of jazz.

I do enjoy jazz fusion, and I particularly like good sax and flute playing.

Back in the 80s I built (and engineered) a small,16 track, analog (reel-to-reel) recording studio where a few excellent jazz (fusion) players recorded some tunes.

Here’s something I posted about it a while back on the PN forum…

…one of the first bands I recorded was a progressive jazz group called “Turning Point.”

They blasted out all of the songs of their planned studio album in one night, with a few overdubs to follow later on.

I can’t seem to find any of the tracks from their album online, so I recently transferred one of their songs from an old cassette they marketed back then.

I still remember how sonically huge the original track sounded back in my big studio monitors. Unfortunately, it has lost a great deal of that sonic quality going from 16-track, then to half-track mix down, then to commercial cassette (almost 40 years old now), then to a compressed MP3.

Nevertheless, here it is:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Fxs8MxeLuBcg0mz0I861wl3m6SHEZ3Or/view?usp=sharing

As an interesting sidenote, Randy Marsh was the drummer, and Randy’s dad is Arno Marsh who played saxophone with the likes of Woody Herman, Stan Kenton, Charlie Barnet, Lionel Hampton, Buddy Rich, and Harry James.

Again, Knox, what instrument do you play?

I’m a guitar man myself. I started out playing lead guitar in a rock and roll band when I was around 14 years old back in 1963. And that’s why I can appreciate the improvisational playing found in jazz music (and that’s because I’m too lame at memorizing any long and complicated [fixed] sequences of music without making mistakes :zany_face:).

What a delicious drum on it. Thank you for that.

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Thank you, Socrates, for your nice comment.

Yeah, I think everyone was happy with the drum sound we got on that album (especially the drummer himself).

I especially like the kick sound. I think I remember using either an 8 or 10 band eq on just kick drum alone when we first laid the tracks. I also think I was using a rack mounted filter for kick drums at that time - a filter called the “Electric Pillow.”

However, nothing can beat having a pro drummer who not only knows how to play his instrument masterfully, but also knows how to tune the drums.

Here’s a picture of the band on the cover of the re-release of that album on CD in 2009…

According to the guys, the reason why they were laughing in that picture…

(which is the same picture they used on their cassette release back in the 80s)

…is because the keyboard player’s puppy had just pee’d all over his suit coat.

Unfortunately, three of those guys in that picture have passed away since that 2009 re-release.

Hah. That’s really something.

God bless and keep them.