How long can one remain a virgin?

[dan020350]

Again this question, always come to my mind.
Now, the things I remember from readings that always stayed in my concious:
St paul, gospel of thomas, the book of sirach, book of kings, book of solomon, Jesus’s words, - all has been said,

“if one remains a virgin they will do better, their body is full of purity and god shall give them their rewards, God will pick the virgin warriors 1000 out of the infinite people, David sins from bethsheba, Solomon who married many wives and defiled the temple of god, the ten commandments thou shall not commit adultery, virginity is the primary virtue”

Now this have been said. Those who reply from the past always says it is about lust and control of ones desire. They are right, but have anyone ever obey, and keep their virginity? the saints but without having to become a priests or monks or be isolated?

Plato states in the republic, in the democracy world, everyone is free to do anything he wants, letting their desires run wild- isn’t this is like the Abram story about Sodom which their world their desires run wild and led to their destruction ?

[Blaze]

It’s nothing important. Everyone everytime feels s/he needs to have sex then can do it, even if it’s in extreme level. God doesn’t do anything if someone is satisfy with his/her extreme acts! Maybe that God has something to do with the ones that made him/her extrimist!

[Dan1 (Dan~)]

NimAraya, this is more a question about society then about God.

When people get into a craze and have allot of strong desire, they get really caught up and absorbed into it.

Repressing natural desire isn’t right either.

The real question is where we are headed in life. Where are we going, why? It’s about guidance. Temptation becomes service to the tempter, most often.

If people are really sexual, then whatever sexual distributor exists, this one will gain power and control. Porn industry makes allot of money, for example.

But back to the virgin question:
It doesn’t mean allot. Really, it’s like would you want to taste a candy or not? Would you wanna eat it or forget about it?

I’d say be fully aware of how your choices will effect your future.

Either become one with, or completely cast away your temptations.

Anything internally divided, will be weak and confused.

[dan020350]

But back to the virgin question:
It doesn’t mean allot. Really, it’s like would you want to taste a candy or not? Would you wanna eat it or forget about it?

This is the only thing that bother me the most. A cigarette, beer, heroine, crack, weed, are all said to be dangering of one’s health, yet people still do it.
However, once when someone has done this act from above, then they tell themselves, it is evil. When they were young they felt like its not. It is very hard to believe in some body’s word until they experience it for themselves. Woe to the children not listening to their parents.

But what is the benefit of being a virgin, which bothers me, that saintly people say that they have this potential to possess? Not be able to marry and have kids, what kind of life is this? Yet, there is a way out if you do sin, which Jesus says to the adultress " Repent, from now on do not sin again"

Why did the prophet say “women is the first to cause man to sin in the first place, therefore, it is women you should be careful about.”

St paul says about the virgin, their bodies are pure, for God shall give them their rewards.
Moses said," If you heed my covenant you become the treasure of God, and you shall not recieve pain or suffering"

[Dan1 (Dan~)]

It’s like online MMORPGs.
People get hooked.

I don’t like human sexuality because it reminds me of what I really am.
Same thing goes for the popes and the saints.

You wanna know where the sexual strife comes from? All of the twists and complex bulshit games that people add to the process.

You can’t walk up to a girl, flat out, and say:
“I’m lonely, your sexy, etc etc”.
Honesty is the last thing people think about,
and the first thing they think about is their self-image and their roll.

If you wanna bang then that’s your buissiness. You get stress, relief, pleasure, pain, confusion, understanding, etc, with relationships.

Sex isn’t some magic bullet. There’s nothing other then experience, that defines loss of virginity. All of the fame that is put around sex will delude you if you’re a virgin.

Some pissing, farting, sweatting, tiering – hours or minutes, whatever-the-hell, isn’t even half what the TV and the media claim.

I’m such a God-damned grinch about it! Lol.

Okay, okay, forget the culture and the dogma and the desire and the God, everything, put that shit away for a moment.

You remember what life was like when you were a child? Before puberty & that shit? Well, that’s all there is to it. Virgin – means more room in your head and heart for other things. That’s all. It’s very simple. So, what do you value in life?

I’m messed right now, bye.

[Mastriani]

Well, a summary shitpile of non-information.

Celibacy in aesthetics and esoterics is maintained for a reason: it does keep the body pure, and also allows for redirection of those wasted sexual energies to fine pursuits. As with anything else, denying primal desire can come at a cost.

For those cretins who post here comprised of no belief in anything, they will invariably spout off that there is no real reason for it. That is a belief held by base individuals who only value devaluating what anyone else believes based upon their own misconceptions, lack of understanding or usable logic skills, and petty anger that they can’t rectify their own valueless state.

It does serve a purpose to uphold ideals beneficial to bettering yourself, or your fellow person.

[Dan1 (Dan~)]

@Mastriani

Well, a summary shitpile of non-information.

Celibacy in aesthetics and esoterics is maintained for a reason: it does keep the body pure, and also allows for redirection of those wasted sexual energies to fine pursuits. As with anything else, denying primal desire can come at a cost.

For those cretins who post here comprised of no belief in anything, they will invariably spout off that there is no real reason for it. That is a belief held by base individuals who only value devaluating what anyone else believes based upon their own misconceptions, lack of understanding or usable logic skills, and petty anger that they can’t rectify their own valueless state.

It does serve a purpose to uphold ideals beneficial to bettering yourself, or your fellow person.

I think that you’re taking a pro-sexual side to this subject.

I’ve known allot of guys who had heart breaks and felt FAR MORE incomplete AFTER they had “loved”, then before they had “loved”. All of those romantic chemicals in the brain can make people addicted, high, vulnerable, and then – once it’s gone, they have serious and horrible withdrawl symptems if they don’t somehow find away to feed their addiction again.

I know that pro-sexual and anti-sexual arguments each have their own point, but I think that the national average, the culture and the self is pro-sexual, which means most of you are biased pro-sexual, and the argument is unfair, imbalanced and partial – to pro-sexual factors.

dan02’s question about staying a virgin was valid!
You all know how high divorce rates are, and I’ve known allot of women who had their lives ruined by shitty relationships; that’s just one of a thousand examples. Despite how “wonderful” the general idealism is that floats around sexuality, there is a dark side of it that almost everyone here is willing to ignore.

[Gobbo]

18 years, 3 months, 23 days, 9 minutes.

[dan020350]

18 years, 3 months, 23 days, 9 minutes.

Are you living better? do you think you could of been better?

The bible says if you remain a virgin you will do better than those who are not, and those who have relationships.

You can only answer me this if you wanna meet my qualifiations.

[Gobbo]

To be honest… nothing quantifiable changed really. Maybe my confidence…

The main thing is that I know what the mystery is now and its really not all that great… sex by itself that is. A whole lot of work and stress for a few minutes of pleasure.

All in all I’d say I’m better off.

It takes a bit of time, depending on how receptive you can be to get ‘good’ at having sex, to make it comfortable and pleasurable for the other person. I wouldn’t wait a reallly long time… but there really is no rush.

[Dan1 (Dan~)]

O_G, dan02,

Biblical loss of virginity had to do with marriage. Women were sold/baught as wives, and then qwned, etc.

Remember that the bible wasn’t talkin’ about 1 orgasm, it was talkin’ about being married forever – within that culture and system of values, in ancient Jewish times.

It’s more like:
You’d be better off if you never got married or bothered with the opposite sex much, because there can be found more meaning, satisfaction and goodness in other areas of life.
…?

Hopefully I’ve straitened out a biblical misconception today…?

[Dr.Satanical]

@Dan~

You can’t walk up to a girl, flat out, and say:
“I’m lonely, your sexy, etc etc”.

Are you sure about that?

But as to the thread title, one can remain a virgin precisely until the moment one has sex, and not a moment longer.

[Dan1 (Dan~)]

@Dr.Satanical

@Dan~

You can’t walk up to a girl, flat out, and say:
“I’m lonely, your sexy, etc etc”.

Are you sure about that?

Well, I was tryin’ to bitch about it, even though there are allot of wonderful women out there, and I like women so much, and there are honest people in the world who are mild, understanding, and don’t play stupid games with a person…

I guess the whole virgin question depends on the culture.
Some places have more bitch then love, depends on the national average.

[Gobbo]

Well… yeah, I was operating outside of the bible for my last post.

I don’t personally see a whole lot of logic to taking the bible anywhere seriously. Just personal opinion though…

[Mastriani]

@Dan~

@Mastriani

Well, a summary shitpile of non-information.

Celibacy in aesthetics and esoterics is maintained for a reason: it does keep the body pure, and also allows for redirection of those wasted sexual energies to fine pursuits. As with anything else, denying primal desire can come at a cost.

For those cretins who post here comprised of no belief in anything, they will invariably spout off that there is no real reason for it. That is a belief held by base individuals who only value devaluating what anyone else believes based upon their own misconceptions, lack of understanding or usable logic skills, and petty anger that they can’t rectify their own valueless state.

It does serve a purpose to uphold ideals beneficial to bettering yourself, or your fellow person.

I think that you’re taking a pro-sexual side to this subject.

I’ve known allot of guys who had heart breaks and felt FAR MORE incomplete AFTER they had “loved”, then before they had “loved”. All of those romantic chemicals in the brain can make people addicted, high, vulnerable, and then – once it’s gone, they have serious and horrible withdrawl symptems if they don’t somehow find away to feed their addiction again.

I know that pro-sexual and anti-sexual arguments each have their own point, but I think that the national average, the culture and the self is pro-sexual, which means most of you are biased pro-sexual, and the argument is unfair, imbalanced and partial – to pro-sexual factors.

dan02’s question about staying a virgin was valid!
You all know how high divorce rates are, and I’ve known allot of women who had their lives ruined by shitty relationships; that’s just one of a thousand examples. Despite how “wonderful” the general idealism is that floats around sexuality, there is a dark side of it that almost everyone here is willing to ignore.

Proof positive that you didn’t read a single word of my post, and just decided to blather your banalities for the sake of using your keyboard.

I did not take a “pro-sexual” stance to the question at hand, neither did I take a biblical one.

My belief, based on eastern esoterics, is that it is far better to not have sex, ever. The body remains in a far better state without it, as long as the remainder of your interpersonal relationships can be maintained at an optimum level of benefice. Hence, had you read the post, you would have seen that I said it is better to be celibate, but it can come with a cost.

[Dr.Satanical]

Hence, had you read the post, you would have seen that I said it is better to be celibate, but it can come with a cost.

As thousands of ex-altar boys across the world will attest to…

[dan020350]

Biblical loss of virginity had to do with marriage. Women were sold/baught as wives, and then qwned, etc.

women like being a sex slave, or ignorant about sex, is either not convince by religious beliefs or have not heard the beliefs. But when one believes the principle of virginity, like that of those saints, who are willing to die for their virginity for christ, what amazes me. Either they are crazy or there is something more. The wonders of the life of: st. Lucy, st. Celia, the life of Thecla. Who were said the be extremely beautiful, who held their beliefs and be willing to died for their belief then to get married. Either you believe in the wonders of their life or it is just a nursery story.

But as to the thread title, one can remain a virgin precisely until the moment one has sex, and not a moment longer.

Dr satan-Your other avatar is more better. The judgment of your words changes from the mouth of a child now. These avatars definity effects your mind.
you definity answer the question of the title, but have not yet answer my real question.

[Dan1 (Dan~)]

@Mastriani

Proof positive that you didn’t read a single word of my post, and just decided to blather your banalities for the sake of using your keyboard.

I did not take a “pro-sexual” stance to the question at hand, neither did I take a biblical one.

My belief, based on eastern esoterics, is that it is far better to not have sex, ever. The body remains in a far better state without it, as long as the remainder of your interpersonal relationships can be maintained at an optimum level of benefice. Hence, had you read the post, you would have seen that I said it is better to be celibate, but it can come with a cost.

Oops.
Sorry about that.