A lot of you obviously don’t know how to pray. It is quite simple. It doesn’t involve Yoga, or chanting. This is all you gotta do.
Prayer always involves looking at theur hands. Even when their eyes are closed, and tearing, people successfulpeople at prayers are still looking subtly through the bottom of their eyes, at their hands.
Why?
If you don’t see the elephant, it means your doing it wrong, and need to try harder.
This is what is known as God giving a sign.
It is as simple as that.
Or our minds are connected to the quantum matrix and onto the infinite. So prayer, contemplation and yoga, are ways to do that ~ which doesn’t also mean it will yield magical items or food to the hungry. If person ‘a’ is praying for good things to come, and so are all others, who’s going to give their shit away for free and loose out?
can their be information that was not there before?
I am also thinking we have a relation to the infinite,
but we have to eat and shit anyways.
Which means we aren’t getting enough free energy from the infinite to sustain even a single little human body.
Something is seriously wrong here.
I really would like to win the lottery or have sex with a hot red headed woman. Will prayer help me in these endeavors?
Would prayer help me succeed?
Or a donkey if you’re a Democrat.
Yes Joker, it would. Evidence is, you’ve gotten neither, while lots of people who pray have gotten both. I see a pattern emerging.
What about those who keep praying for things but never get what they pray for?
Are they infidels or just damned?
They are subjects of poor quality philosophy.
Nice cop out.
Belief systems can become huge tangled complexes.
It’s not just a cop out, it’s the failure of being human.
That is why they would pray in the first place.
Can’t pray if god:
[1] doesnt exist
[2] doesnt want to help
[3] isnt powerful enough to help
[4] wants us to suffer and die as a test
[5] etc.
Without religious thinking nobody would pray.
but religious thinking is a form of philosophy.
so i call it a poor form of philosophy.
What kind of religious person are you? 
That’s a rhetorical question.
Lots of people make a house of straw.
^^^
You worship a house of straws Dan? That sounds very unorthodox.
It’s a figure of speech.
People can build their lives on sand or on stone.
Memes can be terrible sometimes.
Prayer always concerns oneself. We pray for the ability to change or accept the world as we perceive it to be.
What you need to pray for are better arguments. Well, against me anyway. 
If you start offering valid arguments, you will find people are more than ready to offer quality critiques. All you do is leave piles of shit in the middle of discussions, often times having nothing to do with you, saying Dasein… then you get offended when people don’t step in it.
And don’t post your masturbatory exploration thread again, it has nothing to do with me. I’m not into that sort of Voyeurism.
Oh, if only I had a buck for each time an objectivist accused me of not offering any “valid arguments”.
I know: Let’s try to pin down what that is code for:
1] not thinking like he does
2] not thinking like she does
3] not thinking like they do
4] all of the above
Do you perhaps mean this one: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=189516
infinity has an energy value of zero, surely any value X infinity would swamp everything else by infinite amounts. all it does is touch everything, and is the thing between things [connection?], like between worlds with rebirth etc.