How should a Christian vote?

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First of all, should a Christian vote or simply remain disconnected from the world since the bible says we are aliens and strangers to this planet.

Second, if Christians vote, what sort of issues do they need to keep in mind? Is taking care of the poor more important than the pro-life issue? Are social justice issues more important than the definition of marriage? Are there biblical litmus tests for candidates? Should we think more about character than the issues? What’s important, and what’s not? Does it matter if the candidate is Christian? What if he’s an active muslim or Buddist, should that affect our vote?

At the moment I’m interested in this discussion. But it’s possible that I’m just very bored today…

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If I was a christian, I’d vote for McCain. He wants to destroy the infidels. Nothing like a good holy war to get the ol juices flowing.

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How should a Christian vote?

The same way everyone should vote, for liberty–while we still have the chance.

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No he doesn’t, he wants to prevent the society from total collapse, like would have happened if the coalition didn’t arrive, which WILL happen when it leaves. (if it doesn’t turn into a regional civil war).

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Such depth of insight. Thanks.

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Why should Christians care about liberty? Is that in the bible?

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The bible says we are not OF this world but we are IN this world, so ofcourse we should vote. Saying Christians should not vote is like saying Christians should not pay taxes because we are not of this world. Jesus says give to caesar what belongs to caesar.

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Christians should vote for Obama since he is clearly the closest to Jesus. (OMG he said Jesus was black) But, seriously he does appear to be the most pious of the lot. The key issues one should vote on would be what one can do to help his fellow man (social security, medical care). Another key issue would be the war and in lieu of that withdrawal since the taking of another man’s life is a sin.

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Alright, but Jesus didn’t express any opinions about chosing the high priest.

Anyway, how does you Christianity affect you choice of voting? Or does it?

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I’m inclined to agree with your choice. But I think it might have less to do with my Christianity and more to do with me having a soft-spot for socialism… Whether the 2 are connected, I don’t really know. But equality and redistribution of wealth seem like biblical values to me… but few will agree I fear.

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Hate to be the one to break it to ya Flanders, but not everyone sees Christians the way you do.

Jesus’s followers are the biggest perpetuator of genocide in history.

Alot of people are against that.

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lol … Actually you are very wrong my friend! more people have died at the hands of athiest that Christians!

Genocide BY ATHIESTS
Adolf Hitler an athiest led Germany during World War II when he executed 6 million Jews in the Holocaust, 3 million Poles, 3 million Russian prisoners of war, and as many as eight million others throughout Europe.
Joseph Stalin General Secretary of the Soviet Union. Between 10 and 20 million Soviets and German prisoners of war died under his regime, depending on how many famine victims you count, from Gulags, execution, and forced resettlement.
Mao Zedong, who led China for more than a quarter of a century following World War II, created the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution programs which collectively killed unknown tens of millions of Chinese, most of them in public executions and violent clashes.
Pol Pot led the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia during the 1970’s, when as many as 2 million Cambodians, or as much as 20% of the population, died from execution, disease and starvation.

The top three largest examples for Christians are thought to be the Crusades of the Middle Ages, the Spanish Inquisition, and the burning of witches. Scholars estimate that the Crusades of the middle ages cost from 58,000 to 133,000 lives. The most realistic figure for the Spanish Inquisition puts the total killed from AD1480 to AD1808 at up to 31,912. Finally, records indicate that the number of witches killed may be over 30,000. Some argue that records don’t tell everything and suggest that maybe even 100,000 were killed. These three events, totaling over 264,000 killed, are thought to be the largest atrocities perpetrated by one or another form of Christianity.

Compare that to the 141,160,000 people killed by athiests. So dont even go there buddy O:)

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Listen. If you ask the defense department how many people we killed in Vietnam, or even Iraq, they’re probably not even going to answer.

You really expect people to own up to the murders that they commited and give you a real number?

Ridiculous.

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Actually, Hitler thought of himself as a Christian. nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm

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Thanks Koifer. I’m here trying to convince xtians that they’re subject to propaganda too. I guess faith really is blind? I dunno.

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Hitler, although he was brought up and confirmed as a Catholic, had abandoned Christianity by the time he was in control of Germany.

Read theses statements by hilter himself and tell me he was a Christain…lol

Hitler’s Table Talk (Adolf Hitler, London, Weidenfeld & Nicholson, 1953)

Night of 11th-12th July, 1941

"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together…
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity’s illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity… “Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things.” (p 6 & 7)

10th October, 1941, midday

“Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure.” (p 43)

14th October, 1941, midday

"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death… When understanding of the universe has become widespread… Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity… "Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity…
And that’s why someday its structure will collapse…
"…the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little…
"Christianity the liar…
“We’ll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State.” (p 49-52)

19th October, 1941, night

“The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.”

21st October, 1941, midday

"Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer…
"The decisive falsification of Jesus’ doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work… for the purposes of personal exploitation…
“Didn’t the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it’s in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea.” (p 63-65)

13th December, 1941, midnight

"Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery… …
“When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let’s be the only people who are immunised against the disease.” (p 118-119)

14th December, 1941, midday

"Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don’t believe the thing’s possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself…
“Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics.” (p 119 & 120)

9th April, 1942, dinner

“There is something very unhealthy about Christianity.” (p 339)

27th February, 1942, midday

“It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie.”

mm… :-k sounds very familiar … sound like the athiest hate speach i see on this site.
So the bottom line is ungodly people have killed waaaay more people than any Christian crusaides put together. Most of the Christian Killings were in ancient times or medival time not modern times. O:)

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yes, anyone can be subject to propaganda but i hope now you know that non-christians are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of millions of people compared to the few hundred thousand from inquisitions. So next time you open your mouth do some research. O:)

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Man, gotta love a good old who killed who match!

It was Pope John Paul, in the Vatican, with the sceptre!

Let’s not any religious stance be claiming to be whiter than white. People kill people. Some of those people are Christians, some are not.

One point I must add though. Atheists who kill others don’t do so because their beliefs deem it the right thing to do. Religious fanatics who kill people do so because they believe their actions to be right in the eyes of God/Allah/Tom Cruise/who ever.
That I think is the difference to which people are alluding. Not statistical numbers.

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No, it was Bertrand Russell in the wine cellar with corkscrew!

I can agree withy that.

Are you sure there’s any difference? What is eugenics, if it’s not a atheists killing people because it’s the “right thing to do”?

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Then why don’t you start a thread about it, instead of crashing other people’s parties with two lines of snide, irrelevant bullshit?