I have a feeling that many people need love and need to give love…and I think the need to give love is hard-wired…
this does not apply to some people…
If it’s hard wired, then how can it not apply to all?
If it doesn’t apply to some, then how can it be hard-wired?
There is an innate need for society/ family. Is that love or survival?
I believe that most people need love and need to give love for their own health…this is not something from a god…
the majority have this nature…but there are some varieties of humans that are not this way…I don’t know why…
this nature is not something learned…we just have it…there are variants in people some probably genetic…
who cares why its there…it just is…probably has to do with survival of the individual and the species…
Maybe God put it there because God loves you.
I don’t believe that…
So if you don’t care why its there, why the thread?
Love has to do with sharing parts of our ego with other beings. Egoless love happens when the other person is purely in mind. Both forms of love work, if well crafted. A mix of god and evolution effects us and shapes nature. Both of those forces exist, and each has its purpose in our sense of love.
Human nature is cruel, selfish, and destructive.
Love, morality, and reason are just masks we hide behind because most refuse to look at just how ridiculously primitive or animal like we really are.
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Are you speechless because you agree or disagree?
We could exchange opinions on the matter… or you, (and the rest of us), could start to justify why we think what we just happen to think. I.e., Give reasons for it. Make arguments. Premises, syllogisms, logical form. Defend against objections. Without that, I don’t have much to sink my teeth into. —But maybe this isn’t the right section of the forum for that sort of business. And so I stopped myself.
It seems pretty clear to me that, at least at a superficial level, what you’ve said has some truth to it. You can justify it by telling a story about how people lock their doors at night, arm themselves or walk in groups when its late. --And other observations suggesting that the actions of people betray their agreement with what you’ve said. IOW, you can point to acts that are selfish, cruel, and destructive.
But recognize that that won’t get you any farther than someone else who offers observations about people that suggest that their happiness is tied to the fate of others, and not purely selfish. That people cooperate, build, and help others—and are not simply cruel and destructive.
You might respond with something like, “Yea, but in those cases of supposed altruism, the person is really Really selfish deep down”. But then, I’ll ask you WHY you think that—because now your observations simply aren’t good enough, b/c we have conflicting observations. IOW, the observations say one thing, but you are trying to tell a story about what really Really motivates the individual to act, despite appearances.
So, let’s hear what you have, young Jedi. You might find a friend in Thomas Hobbes.
Maybe the truth about human nature is a bit more complicated? Maybe we’re more of a pack animal? —That is, our happiness bound up with that of others, other-oriented? Really, what’s the point of ever being destructive unless you had some constructive reason for it? The notion that you’d tear something down just for the sake of it makes no sense, unless there’s something you’d rather see in its place. But if that’s the case, then your nature is more constructive than you’ve let on.
People cooperate when they have common goals and aspirations. People cooperate when collectively they can benefit by declaring war on or enslaving other people. Two serial killers can cooperate together by having a grand old time killing random people just for the fun of it. To this day I really don’t see this whole “moral” emphasis on cooperation. Altruism? Subtle delusions on self motivating factors.
Yes, like volunteering to build homes for other people. Habitat for humanity like.
Yes, like cleaning up public spaces.
Yes you do… read your own quotes. Why cooperate? …You already know, apparently.
Prove it. Justify it.
Habitat for humanity you say? Do they get tax write offs for their charities?
No incentives whatsoever?
Cleaning public spaces? That’s what we got serfs for at minimum wage. How very noble.
Clearly you intentionally ignored my example of cooperative violence.
Have I missed anything here?
I presented this mundane babble to discuss the part of human nature that is loving…that is a given…
of course there is hatred also…both are present…we can talk about the hatred somewhere else…
there are two instincts that are hard-wired--------------1 self preservation and 2 species preservation…
they both exist in a dynamic interplay…what I am emphasizing is the species preservation[love]…
there you go…that is what has been observed by most people over a long time…
You do not get a tax write off when you volunteer your time to build someone else a home.
There are always incentives… like the incentive of helping another person.
People can cooperate for violent ends. People can cooperate for beneficient ends.
yes
No financial incentives for building other people homes? I call bullshit on that one.
Maybe helping people is one of the incentives.