Human Sexuality

Humanity has adapted traits so that all human (Mammalian) babies are born to depend on adult entities in order to live. If a baby is left to fend for itself, utterly abandoned, at anytime between ages 0-2, then it will die without a question. Many other Mammalian species are not this way. For example, deers or cows may give birth and have their offspring already-walking out the door. So, what is with this extreme human adaption? Where did it come for and what reason is it here? The answer is: sociality. Humans are born to be weak and dependent, in order to grow into a socially cohesive group of “people”. The concepts of ‘independence’ and ‘individual’ become skewed in the sense comparing humans to deers or cows. Perhaps qualitatively, humanity is more dependent on one another than any other specie. Or, perhaps not.

Sociality is the key to understanding the human specie and ourselves as men, women, and any other gender category – through human sexuality. Sex is the most pivotal part of life, because life itself implies survival. Survival is already granted. And before sex, there must be survival by implied necessity. The only reason that living things live is in order to procreate Life itself into an entity that resists Death and the chaotic atrophy of the Entire Universe. The entire universe presses down on planet Earth with a force, yet, despite all that force (of the entire universe), we still have life. Earth has more than enough gravity and mass to repel the down-force of the universe, which would theoretically collapse the Earth into a pin-needle at any given time. But this is just the beginning of life. – balance.

With this picture in mind, Life, a human life, is meant to transfer itself into an immortal form, which may forever resist the threats of Death without the possibility for defeat. However, the Forces of Life & Death are each infinite, attempting to overcome the other. The battle rages on. While the conflict continues, human animals (we) are left to our own devices as pawns in a larger game. This is the setup for human sexuality.

The only reason that living things live is order to procreate Life itself into an entity that resists Death and the chaotic atrophy of the Entire Universe.

This is the driving force behind human sexuality and the procreation of any other animal specie on our planet. From birth, boys and girls are raised in a direction that leads them to sex, from the beginning. Keeping in mind cognitive science, nature & nurture models, conceptual knowledge, infantile education, and a whole other range of developmental processes, children are the most precious commodity of the human race. Yet, their true purpose, mostly unbeknownst to Average Joe & Jane, is to grow into sexual entities. However, without moral systems in place, hedonism is the expression that infiltrates human society in the form of sexuality. By repressing sexual desires in mature adults, men & women post-pubescent, humanity suits itself to other tasks. Human history is filled with violence in order to survive. War and strife are the signifier of the cause; sexual rights must be established and maintained. It’s all about who gets to fuck whom, once basic survival is guaranteed. And basic survival is guaranteed with the advent of Civilization.

A baby or child that has not undergone adolescence and puberty has no concept of sex. This is why sexual crimes against children are so widely accepted as normal. Classically, parents and moral-social institutions were directly responsible for maintaining the sexual welfare of children. Now that the Western family structure and Christianity have collapsed, hedonism forces itself into children at a younger & younger age. There is no defense against it. There is nothing that parents can do to stop it. The force is overwhelming. However, this is not going to be the main topic that I bring up here…

The main points that I plan to make here are where the strongest human bonds are formed: the mother-son and the father-daughter relationships.

Naturally, any given male animal will be compelled to fuck any and all female animals that are available. This is his natural drive, because of the necessity of Sexuality itself. The sex drive (to rape) in men is to impregnate any and all women that he can. This is the “natural force”. And on the other hand, female animals are naturally compelled to be raped by any and all given males. If a woman were naturally predisposed to resist a certain type of man without reason, then this type of man would be selected out of existence. His genes would not be reproduced and his purpose as a man would be dead. This is how human sexual selection occurs. In fact, it is how all sexuality occurs. Males are the entities that enact change. Females are the entities that enact stability. When a male is not “chosen” (as if there is a “choice” in the matter of things), then he must be killed or he will force himself to have sex in any way possible (“rape”). However, this is all men and all males. This is The Game that people play. Men fight against Nature in order to stand alone with sexual rights. Women band together, through strength in numbers (as does the feminized men), in order to resist the natural force of men with their own natural forces.

No self desires to be dominated – especially in women.

A brief point that I would like to make is that all sex acts are rape and all men are rapists in the natural sense. When a woman allows a man to have sex with her by “choice”, then what she is doing is accepting his genetic material as a sacrifice to herself. In order for her to feel a sense of peace with herself from being dominated by the Other, she utilizes all of her force (Utilitarianism) to control and compel that male individual to her will. If she cannot do this, then she will physically resist him. The force of man to procreate then is either stepping in-bounds of sociality (the reigning social ideology, etc.) in order to have children – or “rape”. Though, both of these sex acts are in fact rape. This is the Truth & Lie of things. Men seek to not be in denial of their nature, but it is a nature that women cannot accept, ever. It’s even physically impossible for men and women to come together on these grounds without adaptation, because extreme conflict (beyond the simple imagination) is the direct result of the implied consequences here.

A man is singular. A woman is multiple. His strength is independence. Her strength is dependence. The reasoning for this is the natural difference in body size & mass between men and women. Men were made to dominate women in general. Women were made to dominate men through numbers. The conflict between the two is written through the ages.

When rape occurs for the first time in a human female, she most likely feels a kind of “resentment” for her weakness. This resentment, while still there, is justified insofar as the woman can control the man. This is the price of sex paid between males and females, because men never feel this kind of resentment, except where physically dominated by other men or emotionally dominated by other women. This is the basis for Justice and Injustice.

There’s a lot more that I could discuss, so I will move on to my main points.

Because human sexuality is developed in the adolescent age range of children, young kids have no concept of sex … that they can realize. However, parents and adults do know about sex. This is the child’s “innocence” of the world that feminine people love to idealize and attach themselves to. This is the direct relation to the Feminization of Man – that boys and girls want to play in dreamland forever without becoming adults. And many kids are growing up in a way that prevents them from doing so – becoming adults. It is a certain mentality that is very easy to spot. It is the result of sexual trauma, which can entail a complete lacking of sex between a given male and other females.

Babies develop “healthy” and “unhealthy” sexual relations directly as a result of their parenting. If a girl is “raped”, then it is because of her parents and family that this was the case for her. If a daughter is born and raised without a father-figure in her life, then it is almost guaranteed that she will be raped by a male as early as is possible. Because, without a father, she has no way to prevent herself from being dominated by the sexual tactics of men. Misogyny, chauvinism, etc. are the results of these kinds of actions. It is an enhanced resentment of the opposite sex or even sex in general. But the natural forces of men & women are almost always stronger than that. Men and women desire sex anyway, despite the harms, despite the Truth, despite the Lie, and despite the rape. In fact, sex is a concept of pure spite! What makes it pleasurable is not the contentment of the sex act, but the domination of the One over the Other…

The mother-son and father-daughter relationship is the most profound and significant force of all mankind. Every human male and female animal is born to a biological mother and father. These two people are the direct genetic link to them as children. Furthermore, all given men desire to have sex with all available women and all given women desire to be raped by all available men (in the strict sense). Therefore, incest is the most fundamental and natural force of human sexuality – and it is. Incest is the most controversial topic of all time. It is the least talked-about. It is always and continually taboo. But, it is also the most pertinent expression of sexuality possible! This is Freud’s genius that he recognized in his psychological career. He understood the mother-son and father-daughter expressions of human sexuality. And he was right, because it is there.

Because this topic is so controversial and taboo, I do not expect any legitimate responses to my post – at all in fact. Nobody will take me seriously, because this subject-matter is really not for anybody except for perhaps other geniuses who understand the truth of things. The relationship between a mother & son is profound, because the boy-child is what the woman desires her ideal man to be. She raises him in the image that she most desires to see in other men. If she raises him to be a weakling-little-pussy, then that is because of how she would like her man to be. If she raises him to be a strong-little-mother-fucker, then that is because of how she would like her man to be. Likewise, this is the scenario for the father-daughter relationship too. A man’s daughter is “his little girl” always. He raises her as the ideal woman for himself. This is an actual conflict of genetic difference between the mother and father’s selfish egos. The mother and father naturally battle with one another in order to possess more “ownership” of their children. Each has his or her own subconscious method.

If a mother could have sex with her sons (eldest to be precise), then she would. If a father could have sex with his daughters, then he would.

The reason for this fact is that incest is a driving force behind human sexuality. It is the first moral repression in history and the one that created all of human history and civilization as we know it. Incest was not curtailed because it is unnatural and an abomination; it was curtailed precisely because it was and is natural! Incest is practically the definition of “natural”, but since it is so repressed by moral forces, human action and sexuality occurs as it does today. The reason that incest is so powerful is because if any human male or female animal were to naturally choose to have sex with another, then it would be with the likeness of themselves. Life itself is defined by its vanity. Since children are the natural vessels of this genetic code, they are the most sexually attractive of all to a given person. This is why parents are skewed in measuring the beauty of their children – they are “biased” to say the least.

Now, I understand that many parents do not have sex with their kids and nearly everybody condemns incest, but I am saying that nobody knows why because most people are fucking idiots. People repress incest in the same way that people repress raw sexuality. But this repression does not mean that men stop thinking about sex or incest or whatever dark fantasies we can dream up. Neither does it stop women from their own fantasies. This stuff isn’t talked about because it doesn’t exist. The problem is that it exists, which is why it’s not talked about!!!

Even when we were all children, there was sex beyond our comprehension. Losing innocence is growing up, so-to-speak. It is a realization of what was happening before you knew that it was even there – a priori knowledge. Is it disturbing to know that your parents were sexually attracted to you while you were children, or even afterward? Is it disturbing to know that you will become the same way as them and repress it through the same means?

The reason that all of this is true, without doubt, and without question, is because incest exists as a natural force. Without its existence, there would be no sex drive in the first place in human animals. Because this cannot be denied by necessity or definition, then it is the most probable scenario for human animals. Incest actually occurs when natural forces overcome Reason and its Moralistic expressions. Without morality, there is only hedonism, which is the current trend in the Western world. Despite these things, incest and many other forms of human sexuality will continue to be repressed at a cost. Sex is filled with resentment, power, spite, and vanity. And in spite of it all, people continue to have sex, and shall continue to have sex forever, lest we kill ourselves, our spirits, and our past.

How do you repress your own sexuality? How will you be open about it? :angry-steamingears:

The fact is that you can’t be open about it, your darkest desires, except with me, since I already know the “Truth”.

It is not a surprise. You are not a surprise.

I like goats.

So why don’t they then…? I mean, more often than crops up in the news now and then…?

Why is it so uncommon…? And don’t say “laws” because laws grow up around things the body politic finds instinctively unacceptable, cementing disgust into social moré.

You say “If they could” where’s this “if” come from…? I have a daughter, she’s sleeping about 10 feet from where I am now, if I wanted to have sex with her I don’t think there is anyone who could stop me before the deed was done.

The question is - why don’t I want to…? If the act of incest is the “purest form of sexual expression”.

cuz u aint a man, man

you’re a product of feminization

truth be told: you wanted a son

:banana-dance:

What about when the female pursues the male? Is that rape too?

Whatever. Everybody knows sex is competitive by nature. I think you use words like rape and incest to get a rise out of people and make them think you’re smart and edgy.

Lots of mistakes in this, but here’s a few I’ll point out…

If you’re saying this is how human males are, you couldn’t be further from the truth. Surround yourself with 3 women, one of whom is a goddess and the other two are rather plump and plain. You’ll find your mind is wholly focused on the attractive one. You don’t even notice the other two are there.

Men aren’t driven to fuck anything that walks. That’s just a modern social myth. Men are driven to find the most sexually attractive mate out of the bunch, just like women.

Then why don’t other animals, free of our complicated social mores and “Christianity”, engage in incest? There may or many not be an element of it withing the parent-child relationship, but if so, there are obviously natural inhibitors which prevent the sex act from taking place.

There is a third option, namely, the male can establish a NEW social order, of which he is the originator and master. Often, this is what women are most attracted to. They love a rebel.

That doesn’t mean this new order has to become the dominant social ideology, either. All it has to do is match the female’s ideal social vision. At that point, there is mutual attraction. That’s one reason why these “feminized” men keep getting ass.

I have a son. Amor. I don’t want to have sex with him either. That feminization of man thing really twisted you guys didn’t it. Always sounded to me like a version of little-dick/chest-beater syndrome. What happened to walking quietly, and carrying a big stick…?

But the dancing banana - now, that’s the kind of argument I can understand.

They do.

Moral laws and the curtailing of powerful wills through forceful retribution are what stopped incest ages ago.

I hate to say it, but you are asking for it – read the bible.

It is not as uncommon as you might think. Incest is what people almost never talk about publicly.

In general, it is uncommon, because of moral indoctrination that has proven successful throughout the history of human civilization.

That’s not true. Moral laws were put into place to stop incest, because it is natural.

In other mammalian species, it is merely not favorable, which doesn’t imply that it is unnatural.

If it were unnatural, then it wouldn’t occur anywhere in nature.

You would pay the price for it, which is why you do not. You are aware of what’s stopping you, unless you’re a moron.

That’s not the question. Like I said, you should already know what’s stopping you.

It’s the same force that stops you from doing whatever you please. There is a price to pay for all actions – within sociality.

The female never pursues the male outright (in general), not by how I see and define sexual interaction anyway.

The male must instigate his “thing” in order for any possible success.

Informative, go on…

:obscene-tolieturinal:

Ok…

Darn, you figured me out! :-$

You are misunderstanding natural drives. Take away your ideal of a “goddess” and what are you left with? – 3 females.

Natural selection is another thing entirely, not mentioned in my OP.

They do when sexual selection is limited or many other factors…

What are the “natural” inhibitors?

No, feminized men buy into the current system rather than forcing it to cohere with their own. It is a sacrifice, an assimilation.

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OK, sure I raise our son, to be strong but, I did not raise our son, we raised our son. I married my ideal man, his son is merely a copy of both he and I and has no appeal to me other than patting his head and wiping dirt from his face and protecting him with my life and soul. He will only be half the man his father is, because the other half comes from another genetic line of men. I like my guy, I have no taste for males that I am blood related to. Inbreeding creates weakness and males from my line have other places in my heart and soul, not as soul partners.

In a single parent household you and Freud may be right and morality must reinforce what is known about genetics. But you do not apply your words to the dynamics of a two parent child correctly. Our son is our immortality our heir, and a continuation of our love, he is an extension that will pass on genetics of two lines that comingled out of love for each other, not lust, nor desire, nor sexuality. The love that created him is seen in his personality and his genes.

To have sex with our son would be a narcissitic thing by half and really that thought is truly unappealing. If you carry it far enough it is simply masturbating with genetic repercussions, Gross. Its not sexual inhibitions, its realistic perspective. I don’t want a copy of my husband or I in bed with me, I want the real thing.

If other humans need morality to keep from inbreeding and creating weak humans then I am all for it. We all have control mechanisms that are somewhat different.

RU,
There are several statements in your essay that I can agree with, such as the dependency of human children on their parents for longer than other animals, the fundamental nature of human sexuality, and the value of children in our society.

However (you knew this was coming), there is also much that I question, or outright disagree with. Now keep in mind that you have already emphatically bemoaned the fact that people ignore your threads, so it should give you some satisfaction to generate challenges to your ideas.

First of all, children are cognizant of sex. Not sexual intercourse, but of their own sexuality. They have an awareness of and interest in their bodies at a fairly young age. And to say that there is no defense against child molestation is simply not true. If it were, all children would be abused; but they’re not. Most parents take precautions, beginning in the pre-school years, to guard against that – by talking to their children, monitoring them closely, and teaching them avoidance tactics.

I completely reject your theory that all sex is rape. That makes no sense, and we’ve already argued that in other threads. Your whole thought process around this is unfathomable. Your slant that women “allow” men to have sex with them is without support, and flies in the face of all of the instances where the woman initiates the encounter. Women have a strong sex drive too, you do realize that, don’t you? :-s

Uh, source please? Supporting statistics? How does the latter follow from the former? I assume when you say “raped” here, you are really talking about consensual sex? I know many girls/women who were raised without fathers, and they grew up fully informed about the realities of sex. Mothers can do a pretty good job at teaching that.

Again, no. This is merely conjecture.

You haven’t shown incest to be fundamental or natural. The most controversial topic of all time? Hmm, possibly. I’m thinking that title might go to cannibalism. Both are repulsive to most people.

Are you sure about that? It wasn’t selected against because incestuous matings often result in offspring with mutations due to little to no gene variation? I thought that was one of the main reasons for sexual reproduction versus asexual – to increase gene variation and hence improve odds for survival? :-k

Then you’re having sex with the wrong people, RU. For most of the rest of us, if we’re lucky it’s filled with excitement, intimacy, pleasure, and - dare I say it? - love.

Love stops me RU, as you one day will know. Anyway, real life stuff means alas, a little holiday from ILP.

Take care all.

OK, well, women pursue me at least as often, if not more often, than I pursue them. Most of the time, they’re not in my league, but that doesn’t seem to stop them.

No, I’m not. If I could conceivably remove my ideal, I wouldn’t be attracted to any of them. Idealization is an inherent part of desire. That it’s form be influenced by natural selection is, in this case, irrelevant.

All that means is that the other factors are overcoming the natural inhibitors. If incest existed as a natural force, you would find that animals mate with their offspring at either A) the same rate as non-offspring or B) more often than non-offspring.

I don’t know. It doesn’t matter. Something must be preventing such behavior or you’d find incest as frequently as normal sex. And if we’re talking about animals, it’s unlikely that its social, and impossible that it’s “Christianity.”

Well, in that case, I really don’t know how you’re defining “feminized men.” I thought you were talking about hippies or “caring, compassionate” types. Hippies certainly don’t represent the prevailing social order, and I don’t think “caring, compassionate” men do either. I’d say the dominant social order supports aggressive, strong-willed men. Of course, the “dominant social order” is a nebulous thing. It’s different from region to region and occupation to occupation, among a host of other things. Nobody would argue that being male is defined the same way to a construction worker as it is to an academic.

Are you defining “feminized men” as conformists? If so, you’ve chosen some poor terms (again). A gladiator who lives among gladiators and fights like a gladiator is a conformist, but I can’t see his behavior as resembling anything I’ve ever called “feminine.”

I don’t care anymore that people ignore my threads. I expect it now.

I believe that most people here actually aren’t interested in the truth of things as opposed to inflating their own egos.

First of all, you have misread me. I did not say there is “no defense” against child molestation in general, because there is. It is morality, teachings and lessons. And many children are abused, especially when there is a stepparent involved, especially when a child is an orphan. Yes, parenting prevents child molestation, and like I said, a biological father is what is best suited to protect the sexuality of any given children, as a result of progeny. If this responsibility were left to women, then hedonism would occur in general, like today.

My observation that women “allow” men sexual rights is just that, an observation. I am merely connecting the dots. My assumption is that rape and sex are fundamentally the same thing. The differentiation between the two, socially-speaking, is consent. – and whose consent is being referred to here? It is the woman’s consent. However, this consent is built of a social ideology, which isn’t necessitated through nature, because of how human civilization possibly differs from other collective organisms. Rape is then more fundamental then sex. A man, or men in general, will not have consent unless they “buy in”, like I stated…

Women do not have a “sex drive” at all. They have a “status drive”, which is the basis for the matter of consent. If women had a sex drive at all, then they would merely let a man have sex with her without any cost or retribution, but this simply does not (ever) happen, unless she has genetic mutations perhaps. How many women would let a bum fuck them? – the answer is “none!” The answer for this is because such males have no worth to society. Therefore, they will not get laid without probably raping a woman. Now, to emphasis my point, you should do a little research on the amount of male bums versus the amount of female bums out there in the “real world” (in case you haven’t ventured across the other side of the tracks). Get back to me on that. Be prepared for a real shock! … hopefully you’re not that naive.

Source: myself. Supporting statistics: my observations.

The reason that follows is necessitated by the purpose of a father to his daughter, socially speaking and throughout civilized history. Without civilization, if a father stayed around to rear kids, then he would probably have sex with them where and when it’s available. Human civilization has been built on outlawing incest though for precisely this reason. As a result, the father guards his daughter against sexual predators without engaging sex himself. It is a form of intense repression through moral pressures. If a man is not moral, then he cannot be trusted, essentially speaking.

Yes, rape is “consensual” sex. It is every form of sex. Sex itself is more general and a broader categorization that represents procreation within every life form. I would say, as queer as it may sound, that rocks have sex to reproduce. Ignore that for now though. That’s just a taste of where my ideas come from. The problem with the categorization is that “rape” is only found in our human specie – why is that? What makes human mammals so different from other species? The truth is that we’re not that different. Rape is a social matter based on sexual consent, the purely emotional allowance of a woman to let a man dominate her. Consciously, this event is so traumatic that a woman compensates for the loss. And civilization arises as the result. – “sociality”.

Mothers do a secondary job at preventing their children from having sex. It is not primary. Women do not instill the kind of rules that prevent sex in certain manners. As such, your common view of “rape” happens more frequently this way. The father is best fit to instill the moral lessons if there are any present. Amorality destroys families insofar as its force overrules moral force. Morality keeps civilization together. Morality keeps traditional family structures together. Morality prevents hedonism and common “rape”. Morality builds strength into a citizenry.

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Come on, understand things dear woman! The sex drive is what forces the male entity to reproduce with all possible female entities. This includes the father-daughter relationship and incest. And because incest occurs naturally in the animal world, which humanity reflects to the “T”, incest is more natural than its repression. It is the cause; morality as humanity knows it did not precede sexuality or incest. Morality was the creation of a system of sexual repression in order to build a collective society…

Incest and cannibalism occurs naturally in a variety of species. Humanity reflects these behaviors, so it must be natural by definition.

The mutation factor is a problem when inbreeding happens too frequently. And although it may cause incest to become reduced or stop out of necessity, this does not mean that incest is unnatural. Quite the contrary in fact, incest is allowed for in situations where sexual selection is limited. Once this selection is increased, then the prevalent force of incest must be repressed. This is the beginning of human morality and civilization.

All the terms are synonymous between male and female language, so take that!

:chores-chopwood:

Huh?

The fundamental goal of the sex drive is reproduction. Not social status. Again, lets look at animals. Not all animals are social. Are those females pursuing status when they mate? Do female tigers pursue status?

Rape can’t be more fundamental than sex. Sex is inherent in the definition of rape, not the other way around. In other words, you have to understand what sex is before you can understand what rape is. The opposite is not true.

Sorry I didn’t get to your post first Kris – I didn’t spot it!

Dare I ask what stops your sexual attraction to your son?

On the contrary Kris, the two-parent household is the strongest. It is the moral paragon.

A successful monogamous marriage breeds the strongest citizens.

Spoken like a true ego-maniac… :smiley:

However Kris, none of that denies my points. You do not have sex with your children where you are morally strengthened to resist it.

You, yourself are moral. You cannot get away from this observation if sexual attraction exists between parents and children even theoretically.

Translation: “Morality stops me RU…”

Thank you for proving my point. :wink:

Son, you ain’t never been a parent for 20 years. Like I said about the time they get breedable they become a major pain in the ass, it ain’t attractive, You can only desire to protect them from their own stupidity. To any parent that loves their kid its protection and who wants to breed with a creature that is so dependent upon you for that? Cripes we want our lives back we don’t want to be stuck in that mode forever. we parents love our brats but, they need to get and let us be humans.

Sex is not what is driving them, because you are the one who shall be doing the fucking in the end. They desire to stand in your attention so that you may lust after them. This is a passive drive. It is a status drive, like I said, not the same as the male sex drive.

And why are they not in your “league”?

Are you nuts???

Form coinciding with the influence of natural selection is everything! That is ludicrous to say it’s “irrelevant”.

You need some lessons in idealization and natural selection…

No, that’s not true, because the other factors are natural as well. At the base, a male will have sex with all females. The reverse is also true; a female will have sex with all males. And “rate” has nothing to do with natural. That is a particularity of the generality. Males have sex where they can get it, where females “give” it. – where the opportunity arises for the highest amount of (selective) success.

It doesn’t matter??? What are you thinking??? Christianity (any moral system) is more powerful than you know or realize…

:angry-banghead:

I understand this. The problem is that the male of yore, the old laws, are not going to stand in the future, because there is no purpose for such men insofar as they have been pacified by the natural course of human civilization. A man simply cannot do whatever he pleases. This is the proof for everything.

There’s a reason for that…

That’s what I’m talking about. The gladiator is a “man”, but within a microcosm. The feminization of man is something else.

Yes, they do. The status is a social one, a status that males innately do not understand half-as-well as females.

I disagree and believe this is a categorization error on behalf of social norms. Rape as it is commonly known is the result of human civilization, but it symbolizes something more profound and truthful, i.e. the sex drive of a male. Since this is most fundamental, this is what sex is literally for men, an instigation of force, namely, sexual force.

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