Humanism, Racism and other -isms

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I must have missed it. What goal justifies the killing of members of an identifiable group? And remember, genocide has the intent of killing all the members in a local area.

Outlawing violence, disadvantages the physically strong since they can no longer use violence to achieve their goals. You are right about that.

But I’m talking about opportunity within a society where violence is not acceptable. I see violence as an impediment to living the good life for the majority of people.

You seem to want to discuss whether violence should be acceptable in a society or not.

I don’t think that is a good example of decadence, degeneracy or emasculation.
It appears to be a one-off incident so it does not demonstrate a trend. It is an attack directed at a Christian cathedral, so there are religious themes embedded in the nature of the attack and the defense. Are the men not defending themselves because they are weak and afraid or because they want to demonstrate Christian values or because they don’t want to feed a sensationalist media?

What happened after the incident? We don’t know.

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The reasons you may find insufficient for committing genocide I might find sufficient.

Also, you completely missed the point regarding my physical violence example. The point was that giving people equal rights, when people are unequal, already favors some and not others depending on the rights given and the strengths and weaknesses of the particular governed person.

How many should I link before you can call it a trend?
How similar to the videos I link have to be?
How far will you go to deny the degeneracy and emasculation that is undeniably occurring?

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See my smash brothers analogy. For instance, Ganondorf and Peach (blacks and women) suck dick at the scrub level, and the majority of players who use Ganondorf and Peach suck. But at the high level, there are some good players (geniuses) who can compete using the Ganondorf and Peach techs.

What I mean by this is aliens have a 450 IQ, yet, I can still say I am smarter than them even though I have a sub 300 IQ, for instance I could run the alien civilization better than they could. They changed their DNA to de-sexualize themselves, which was an utterly retarded decision, which they are now regretting and trying to change again. Idiots. IQ is not the same as wisdom, a lot of fundamentalist christians have high IQ’s but even their logical analysis and critical thinking skills suck.

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You only gave achieving a goal as a reason for genocide. What goal seems important enough to justify genocide?

I didn’t miss the point. I just moved beyond it and onto discussing how a good society handles opportunity. Hint: it’s not through segregation.

More than one.

In terms of that one video, for the men not to react with violence may have been the best and most effective strategy. Since you don’t know the context or the subsequent events, who can say.

I’m sure that you can find better examples of degeneracy and emasculation. :slight_smile:

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The scale can also be reinterpreted as Subjectivity <> Objectivity, where Self = Subject and Existence = Object. These are degrees of subjectivity versus objectivity. Most humans are inherently subjective, reflecting the infantile mental-state where from a newborn child’s perspective of consciousness, the world revolves around her. When an infant cries, her mother comes to breast fed and coddle her. However even “Nurturing” has many factors. Some women make better mothers than others. Some mothers abandon their infants, or beat them, or even kill them. So not all women are loving and nurturing, representing the discrepancy of which infants come to interact with life within their first years of life and development.

An infant who is heavily coddled, protected, and “over-nurtured” is “spoiled”.
This child will become more Self-ist as an adult, as the result of more Nurturing.
An infant who is heavily neglected, abandoned, and “under-nurtured” is stunted.
This child will become more Exist-ist as an adult, as the result of less Nurturing.

Spoiled child Versus Stunted child

If Selfishness (Subjectivity) is opposed to Selflessness (Objectivity) then humanity can measure, scientifically and factually, how any individual human will grow up, mature, and develop a world-view/philosophy/perspective on life. Will an individual be more Self-ist or Exist-ist? Will she be more subjective or objective? All of this depends upon nurturing first. If an infant is Spoiled and over-nurtured then this will influence her perspective inversely as the Stunted and under-nurtured infant.

On ILP we can see how Stunted-children behave, and how it appears in their psyche later in life. Take a look at Peter Humanist, who justified his own “Human-ism” by mentioning his sister who resents him. As his parents poured more love and nurture into her, not him, this obviously scarred his fragile ego, damaging it and sending his “sense of self” downward from Self-ism to Human-ism. As children are more stunted, indoctrinated, neglected, and mentally ill, they tend to fall all the way down to the bottom. The “Selfless” individuals are more suicidal and fanatical, idolators like fanatical christians who treat their Crucifix as a conduit to god, or fundamentalist moslems who are ready to detonate themselves strapped with bombs, for their allah-god.

In all instances, we can draw immediate links and parallels to the damage of a person’s “individual self”. Those who are “weak-willed” are more ready to sacrifice themselves, for some type of otherness (Objective) rather than those who are not. At that point, the “save a drowning child versus a saving a bag of money in a flooding river” moral dilemma becomes appropriate. Most of the christians and “Exist-ists” will expose themselves immediately. They don’t have a strong “sense-of-self”, for whatever reason. They either are authentically emasculated, demeaned, under-nurtured, stunted, and believe in their indoctrination. But some of the stronger-willed ones, merely use their indoctrination as a shield.

Many of these people are outright liars, especially liberals. They’ll say they’re “selfless” and morally objective. But when push comes to shove, they’ll expose themselves, one by one. They’ll demonstrate their self-ishness in real time. That’s the only way to truly demonstrate the point. Most of these self-righteous secular humanists say one thing, but when forced into reality, will turn right around and contradict everything they’ve ever said.

Complete liars. That’s why these types cannot, and never will do, philosophy.

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The question you would ask, is WWSD? What would Solomon do? Solomon was the wisest Jew ever.

So, WWSD? What would Solomon do? Solomon in the sense of a poor person, who had no money. A hypothetical Solomon, with no money. Would he save the kid, or the money?

What is the first step? To see if the kid is worth saving!
He would do the following trick. Ask the kid some kind of trick question, to see if he is worth saving or not. Like, ask him if he cares about pollution or something. If he doesn’t not, he is a bad kid. The money could do a lot better, for instance you could help animal rights with it or something.

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Mental Health/Intelligence Versus Mental Illness/Unintelligence

Mental Health and Intelligence signifies the range at which any individual can encompass the entire X-ist scale. In other words, a healthier individual can understand the perspective of both the Self-ist and the Exist-ist. While an unhealthy individual (low intelligence) can only understand three, two, or just one perspective. For example, an unhealthy, mentally ill individual may be “only Self-ist”, representing the mental deficiency of Narcissism, or “only Exist-ist”, representing the mental deficiency of Nihilism.

Furthermore, a mentally healthy (Intelligent) individual can connect all perspectives together, demonstrating an extensive understanding, knowledge, and insight of all them. This would be a more “unified” or “ordered” individual, somebody who can recombine the Subject-Object duality. Average humans are more divergent, picking and choosing a spot along the scale to locate. An animal rights’ activist, or an environmentalist, serve specific ideologies along the X-ist scale. A more fundamentalist PETA member may sacrifice her life to save some rare endangered specie. Or humans may sacrifice their lives for territorial land claims, religions, whatever. All of these can be rationalized and understood, from the perspective of those taken (subdued, subordinate, and then “Nurtured”) by each ideology.

Here is another argument.

A mother abandons her newborn infant girl outside a Christian church. So the infant becomes nurtured by the church. Isn’t it obvious that the child, her “sense-of-self” will become dominated by Christian concerns throughout life? Won’t it be obvious that this adopted infant, without a biological parent, will eventually give her life in defense of her church? Isn’t it obvious how fundamentalist moslems do the same, for their own religion? It’s too obvious. An infant will protect the essence of her nurturing. This is where the loyalties ultimately arise.

If a PETA member gives birth to a child, then like the more popular cult of abrahamic-christianity, the liberal-environmentalist-PETA member will also indoctrinate the child according to the same principles. Children will grow to defend the institutions of their nurturing, and those which brought them to life to begin with (how they were procreated).

In this way, every human individual, and almost every thought, belief, alliance, ideal they have, can also be traced back down to their roots. Every ideology is predictable, some more predictable than others…

The more unintelligent, stupid, retarded, and stunted an individual is, the easier it will be to trace his/her ideology to the source. A stunted, retarded individual has simple rationalizations, and defends her ideology predictably and obviously. A more intelligent individual is more nuanced, often times lying, claiming to be a “christian” when in fact she only uses the shield of christian faith to protect herself, and does not actually believe in any of the fundamental tenets, nor does she sacrifice for them or prove her believes, when put to the test by reality. However, the more intelligent any individual is, the more powerful will be her insight regarding all possible perspectives.

The most intelligent types will essentially “Unify” the differences between subjects (Self) and objects (Existence).

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When a dumb, retarded, older woman tells you that she is a “Human” before anything else, and she praises her “Humanity” as her primary identity, then many immediate inferences can be made. You will know that her “Humanity” is an extension of her sense-of-self. In other words, her “Humanity” replaced her “Self” at some stage in her life and mental development, usually at the point of some psychological trauma or episode of suffering. This happens to many individuals, in many different ways.

When and where a child’s development becomes limited, stunted, and can no longer grow, a child still looks to develop and grabs at any life-preserver available. This is how jews and christians are able to convert so many westerners into “secular humanists”. At the stage where the average child becomes mentally stunted, the jew or christian steps in and offers a life-preserver, a new level, or equivalent level of nurturing. This too is how State or Church institutions are able to intervene on “Family” units, and essentially steal the loyalty of a child from her parent, and replace it with State or Church.

A “Humanist” is convinced, at a young age, that the State or Church is its new “parent”. Its new “Family”. And so a secular humanist’s ego is damaged, rendered from “Self”, to “Family”, to “Race”, all the way down to “Humanity”.

These methods are how mind-slaves are made. How the State or Church can usurp the loyalty (love) of a child, between her “self” and parents (family), and owed to a new identity or abstraction, such as humanity. Or “animal rights” (liberalism). Or “environmentalism” (another form of liberalism).

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Environmentalism/animal rights is not liberalism, its views are shared with anarchism (true anarchism, not fake anarchism marxism), the Droog party, Paganism and the green party, and the NonParty (independent thinkers for common sense).
Liberalism=pacifism/slavery.

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Degeneracy, maybe. Emasculation, I’m not so sure. Many men would pay good money for this kind of treatment.

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Erik is not many men, Trixie. In fact, Erik isn’t a man at all. Erik is a male.

No man would pay for such treatment. A male may.

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Identification with any ideology or ism is not my thing. I have put on many different costumes, and have thought I was all of them at some point. First a Christian, and then an agnostic and then an atheist. And then I was an egoist and strong determinist, and then a nihilist, and then it all collapsed and I became awareness filled to the brim with deep compassion, love, fear, and shame. I was like that for a few weeks, just a ball of light, as strong as the sun. If I was less educated at that point I might have thought I was Jesus or something. But I knew I had just broke through my ego and came to a place of emptiness. Then that all went away and my ego dominated me again, and it’s been like that for a while now.

Plenty of identifications exist in me at an unconscious level, my dreams assure me of that. But otherwise, I have no identifications that I hold on to very strongly. The best one I can think of, the best narrative to give myself, is that existence is, and I am that.

Good day :smiley:

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“deep compassion, love, fear, and shame”

So you were in the feminine for a week, and you said that this is like Jesus. Are you saying Jesus was a girl?

Female Jesus.