# Hungarian, Central European political life &the EU
**URL:** https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/hungarian-central-european-political-life-the-eu/86209
**Category:** Society, Government, and Economics
**Created:** [September 13, 2026, 12:59am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/hungarian-central-european-political-life-the-eu/86209 "2026-09-13T00:59:28Z")
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### Author:  [@meno41](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/meno41)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2026, 12:59am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/hungarian-central-european-political-life-the-eu/86209/1 "2026-09-13T00:59:28Z")
A new forum designated on basis of a personal bias would not satisfy the criteria of meaningful expressive ideas entailed in terms of general discussion, was it not for the fact that it can serve another purpose.
That that Hungary being at the center of Europe, it’s significance has been noted for it’s euphemistic ‘Heart of Europe’ as its historical loss of power parallels a descent which some politically inclined persons say , should be compensated for.
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Orbán Viktor: A Fidesz elnöksége jövő héten dönt a nemzeti ellenállás elindításáról
Itt állíthatja be, hogy a Google keresőben elsők között legyen a Magyar Nemzet
A Fidesz elnöke a 25. kötcsei piknikre érkezve válaszolt a sajtó kérdésire. Többek között szó esett a párt jövő heti elnökségi üléséről, amelyen döntenek a nemzeti ellenállásról, szóba került az elmúlt 16 év kormányzati teljesítménye, valamint a mozaikjobboldal gondolata is.
Máté Patrik2026. 09. 12. 20:40
/ will translate
So, translating it word by word may be unnecessary, because the essential meaning could be sufficient to relay its drift. What is editorialized here, is ex president Orbans recent meeting, with an allied election commitee where he noted his decade long leadership, as it was representative of a nationalistic party position.young voters, professional recent graduates swung to the left, unexpectedly turning the tide to ‘anti-nationalism’ as Mr.Orban expressed it, taking into account of the loss of greater Hungary, and the significant influence it had on prior world affairs.
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### Author:  [@Atla](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Atla)
#### Post date: [September 17, 2026, 1:46pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/hungarian-central-european-political-life-the-eu/86209/2 "2026-09-17T13:46:31Z")
> [@meno41](#):
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> unexpectedly turning the tide to ‘anti-nationalism’ as Mr.Orban expressed it
If nationalism means dividing the nation, turning it against itself, so that it crumbles further, then Orban is indeed a nationalist, and those who want to unite the nation are anti-nationalists.
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### Author:  [@Nausamedu](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Nausamedu)
#### Post date: [September 17, 2026, 3:47pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/hungarian-central-european-political-life-the-eu/86209/3 "2026-09-17T15:47:47Z")
> [@Atla](#):
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> If nationalism means dividing the nation, turning it against itself, so that it crumbles further, then Orban is indeed a nationalist, and those who want to unite the nation are anti-nationalists.
Simple enough question: What is your point of comparison?
Lets run a check on the european countries lead by all these non nationalists with 15% approval ratings and in the middle of displacing their own population with import voters. And who literally (and it is LITERAL) decided to KILL their own country because sticking it to russia was more important than doing their job and ensuring the quality of life of their own population.
Special mention: Germany
How are they doing with “turning the country against itself”?
Germany? Spain? UK? France? There are soooo many non nationalist examples here, wanna take a look at how the situation stands in regards of “turning the country against itself?”
Orban is VERY far from being free of criticism but its kinda amusing that the criticism always comes from the corners of the deepest cesspits which are slowly waging a direct war on their own population.
Its good for comedy, but if you are serious about it then you are either oblivious af about the current state of europe, are a leftoid yourself, or have serious mental issues.
Pick and choose the mixture.
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### Author:  [@Atla](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Atla)
#### Post date: [September 17, 2026, 3:58pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/hungarian-central-european-political-life-the-eu/86209/4 "2026-09-17T15:58:15Z")
> [@Nausamedu](#):
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> Simple enough question: What is your point of comparison?
> Lets run a check on the european countries lead by all these non nationalists with 15% approval ratings and in the middle of displacing their own population with import voters. And who literally (and it is LITERAL) decided to KILL their own country because sticking it to russia was more important than doing their job and ensuring the quality of life of their own population.
> Special mention: Germany
>
> Orban is VERY far from being free of criticism but its kinda amusing that the criticism always comes from the corners of the deepest cesspits which are slowly waging a direct war on their own population.
> Its good for comedy, but if you are serious about it then you are either oblivious af about the current state of europe, are a leftoid yourself, or have serious mental issues.
> Pick and choose the mixture.
So your argument is that it’s okay to divide a nation when some Western European countries go crazy on immigration? That has almost nothing to do with it. Didn’t expect more from you.
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### Author:  [@Nausamedu](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Nausamedu)
#### Post date: [September 17, 2026, 4:27pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/hungarian-central-european-political-life-the-eu/86209/5 "2026-09-17T16:27:28Z")
> [@Atla](#):
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> So your argument is that it’s okay to divide a nation when some Western European countries go crazy on immigration? That has almost nothing to do with it. Didn’t expect more from you.
Alright. Entirely my fault. I cant expect you to be able to read, so lets take it step by step:
1.)
> [@Atla](#):
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> nationalism means dividing the nation, turning it against itself, so that it crumbles further
this suggests:
2.)
> [@Atla](#):
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> those who want to unite the nation are anti-nationalists.
Those 2 points were your statements.
In return, i asked something really simple:
> [@Nausamedu](#):
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> What is your point of comparison?
Because:
> [@Nausamedu](#):
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> european countries lead by all these non nationalists with 15% approval ratings and in the middle of displacing their own population with import voters. And who literally (and it is LITERAL) decided to KILL their own country because sticking it to russia was more important than doing their job and ensuring the quality of life of their own population.
> Special mention: Germany
>
> How are they doing with “turning the country against itself”?
> Germany? Spain? UK? France? There are soooo many non nationalist examples here, wanna take a look at how the situation stands in regards of “turning the country against itself?”
Or in short: Your statement makes no sense since nationalist countries are way less divided than the shit you are talking about.
SO!
In conclusion:
The argument was not
> [@Atla](#):
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> So your argument is that it’s okay to divide a nation
The argument was “It sounds like you are talking absolute horse shit, so would you like to elaborate on it a bit further in order so we can find out how it makes sense?”
And your literal answer was “joke is on you, i cant read”
I would say that i did expect more from you, at least the ability to be able to read, but… that really just adds more insult to injury.
When will i ever learn not to expect logic or rationality from barn grown dog bred retards.
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### Author:  [@Slobodan](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Slobodan)
#### Post date: [September 17, 2026, 4:34pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/hungarian-central-european-political-life-the-eu/86209/6 "2026-09-17T16:34:11Z")
The main problem with Orban was the fact that he was very corrupted and in reality Hungary was trailing behind rest of EU in growth- his speeches were mostly smokescreen, which then was recycled in media for various purposes.
It is always good idea to look at what people actually do, rather then what they say.
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### Author:  [@Nausamedu](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Nausamedu)
#### Post date: [September 17, 2026, 4:39pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/hungarian-central-european-political-life-the-eu/86209/7 "2026-09-17T16:39:14Z")
> [@Slobodan](#):
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> The main problem with Orban was the fact that he was very corrupted and in reality Hungary was trailing behind rest of EU in growth-
Hungary was literally the second fastest growing economy within europe at the start of 2026
See this is the real issue. There was not a single media in europe which didnt run a negative pr campaign against hungary
Whether its the electricity, fuel, gas prices of the population or otherwise, hungary was everything BUT trailing behind the rest of the EU.
Thats only what you have been told my brother. Take a look at the numbers i suggest instead of the propaganda bs you have been fed.
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### Author:  [@Atla](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Atla)
#### Post date: [September 17, 2026, 4:40pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/hungarian-central-european-political-life-the-eu/86209/8 "2026-09-17T16:40:11Z")
> [@Nausamedu](#):
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> Alright. Entirely my fault. I cant expect you to be able to read, so lets take it step by step:
>
> 1.)
>
> > [@Atla](#):
> >
> > nationalism means dividing the nation, turning it against itself, so that it crumbles further
>
> this suggests:
> 2.)
>
> > [@Atla](#):
> >
> > those who want to unite the nation are anti-nationalists.
>
> Those 2 points were your statements.
> In return, i asked something really simple:
>
> > [@Nausamedu](#):
> >
> > What is your point of comparison?
>
> Because:
>
> > [@Nausamedu](#):
> >
> > european countries lead by all these non nationalists with 15% approval ratings and in the middle of displacing their own population with import voters. And who literally (and it is LITERAL) decided to KILL their own country because sticking it to russia was more important than doing their job and ensuring the quality of life of their own population.
> > Special mention: Germany
> >
> > How are they doing with “turning the country against itself”?
> > Germany? Spain? UK? France? There are soooo many non nationalist examples here, wanna take a look at how the situation stands in regards of “turning the country against itself?”
>
> Or in short: Your statement makes no sense since nationalist countries are way less divided than the shit you are talking about.
> SO!
> In conclusion:
> The argument was not
>
> > [@Atla](#):
> >
> > So your argument is that it’s okay to divide a nation
>
> The argument was “It sounds like you are talking absolute horse shit, so would you like to elaborate on it a bit further in order so we can find out how it makes sense?”
>
> And your literal answer was “joke is on you, i cant read”
> I would say that i did expect more from you, at least the ability to be able to read, but… that really just adds more insult to injury.
>
> When will i ever learn not to expect logic or rationality from barn grown dog bred retards.
It was a test. My comment made no sense _to you_ because you know f all about Hungary. Hint hint it wasn’t about migration, did you know that Hungarians aren’t really divided on that one?
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### Author:  [@Nausamedu](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Nausamedu)
#### Post date: [September 17, 2026, 4:42pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/hungarian-central-european-political-life-the-eu/86209/9 "2026-09-17T16:42:50Z")
> [@Atla](#):
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> It was a test. My comment made no sense _to you_ because you know f all about Hungary. Hint hint it wasn’t about migration, did you know that Hungarians aren’t really divided on that one?
A test. Right.
Btw: There is not a single word about migration in the entire thread you fcking decrepit clown.
Muting your ass now because you are apparently worse off than anew is.
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### Author:  [@Atla](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Atla)
#### Post date: [September 17, 2026, 4:46pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/hungarian-central-european-political-life-the-eu/86209/10 "2026-09-17T16:46:23Z")
> [@Nausamedu](#):
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> Btw: There is not a single word about migration in the entire thread you fcking decrepit clown.
> Muting your ass now because you are apparently worse off than anew is.
Hmm how does one
> [@Nausamedu](#):
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> displacing their own population with import voters
> [@Nausamedu](#):
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> literally (and it is LITERAL) decided to KILL their own country
without migration?
It’s a philosophical mistery. Forum users from Western Europe, are you all dead? Your countries are dead. Maybe you’re ghosts? How do ghosts use the internet?
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### Author:  [@meno41](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/meno41)
#### Post date: [September 17, 2026, 9:03pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/hungarian-central-european-political-life-the-eu/86209/11 "2026-09-17T21:03:02Z")
At least we saw it intrinsically, and not merely objectlessly writing about it, it does make a semblance of difference .?
It’s always has been about migration/immigration since Arpad/Almos
We just sorrily have forgotten, who we used to be/ and who we are and who we should have become like.
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### Author:  [@meno41](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/meno41)
#### Post date: [September 17, 2026, 10:32pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/hungarian-central-european-political-life-the-eu/86209/12 "2026-09-17T22:32:54Z")
That question is ghastly/ghostly .
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### Author:  [@Slobodan](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Slobodan)
#### Post date: [September 17, 2026, 11:08pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/hungarian-central-european-political-life-the-eu/86209/13 "2026-09-17T23:08:19Z")
> [@Nausamedu](#):
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> Hungary was literally the second fastest growing economy within europe at the start of 2026
I was just stating why Orban lost an elections and why many Hungarian voters were unhappy with him- in period of 2010-205 overall other countries that joined EU at same time as Hungary almost all performed better, [Hungary's convergence since 2010 within the CEE region – Mihaly Koltai – M.B. Koltai](https://mbkoltai.com/hungary-cee-convergence/?utm_source=copilot.com)
> **[Average Salary in Europe (2005–2024) | Europe In Time](https://europeintime.com/en/long-term-trends/economy/average-salary/?utm_source=copilot.com)**
>
> Interactive comparison of average salaries across Europe from 2005 to 2024: growth, convergence and long-term wage differences.
.And there were lot of corruption allegations, which swayed a lot of voters against him.
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### Author:  [@MrAuthoritarian](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/MrAuthoritarian)
#### Post date: [September 18, 2026, 12:02am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/hungarian-central-european-political-life-the-eu/86209/14 "2026-09-18T00:02:11Z")
@Atla
Liberals throughout different western nations and societies show their ignorance of human history, economics, or civics when they say that they cannot forsee how mass foreign immigration can destroy whole entire nations.
It really shows a sort of economic and political gullibility. It really is a mental litmus test for people into politics.
🤡
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### Author:  [@MrAuthoritarian](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/MrAuthoritarian)
#### Post date: [September 18, 2026, 12:05am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/hungarian-central-european-political-life-the-eu/86209/15 "2026-09-18T00:05:28Z")
@meno41
Collapsing and dying western economies are looking for economic miracles where they hope A.I. will be the transhumanist miracle to keep them going, in reality it will cause more problems than good and it won’t be any kind of economic financial miracle whatsoever.
Although, if your goal is to transform societies into digitally surveilled prisons A.I. will most certainly help facilitate that.
🤡
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### Author:  [@meno41](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/meno41)
#### Post date: [September 18, 2026, 12:31am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/hungarian-central-european-political-life-the-eu/86209/16 "2026-09-18T00:31:34Z")
Autority:
I think that is true, if the chronology of events do not consider temporal disunity between the old and new aspects of information
If they do, the comparative short termed indications may be over inflated, and disfigured. It may be, should be the longer ranged objectives that need to be hypothesized along with tt
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### Author:  [@meno41](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/meno41)
#### Post date: [September 18, 2026, 12:40am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/hungarian-central-european-political-life-the-eu/86209/17 "2026-09-18T00:40:30Z")
Autority:
I think that is true, if the chronology of events do not consider temporal disunity between the old and new aspects of information
If they do, the comparative short termed indications may be over inflated, and disfigured. It may be, should be the longer ranged
Second that e(motion) wherever it’s sprung from
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### Author:  [@Atla](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Atla)
#### Post date: [September 18, 2026, 3:24am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/hungarian-central-european-political-life-the-eu/86209/18 "2026-09-18T03:24:16Z")
That, and the fact that nearly half of the country has hated him and his party for 20+ years for dividing the nation. But now his faithful voters are growing old and he’s very unpopular with younger generations, who are not as easily manipulated as their parents and grandparents. Also, supporting Russia’s inhumane war, helping China grow its influence, getting Hungary close to being kicked out of the EU and NATO, were not great ideas.
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### Author:  [@meno41](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/meno41)
#### Post date: [September 18, 2026, 3:43am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/hungarian-central-european-political-life-the-eu/86209/19 "2026-09-18T03:43:33Z")
Couldn’t decide wether it was a antithesis /aphorism or a proposition/hypothesis
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### Author:  [@Nausamedu](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Nausamedu)
#### Post date: [September 18, 2026, 7:40am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/hungarian-central-european-political-life-the-eu/86209/20 "2026-09-18T07:40:32Z")
> [@Slobodan](#):
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> .And there were lot of corruption allegations, which swayed a lot of voters against him.
You wrote the sentence very accurately. There were a lot of allegations.
Who made those allegations? And then you get an entire panorama of disinformation which you got from the EU and hungary’s allies themselves.
You can go back as far as the Sargentini report which turned out to be 60% bullshit.
Do you know how it was conducted?
Sargentini came to hungary. Asked the opinion of the EU’s own, paid NGOs, then left.
You either know how the game is played or you just sit there as a sheep, listening to “lot of corruption allegations”.
Past that: You only need to take a look at what the new government in hungary is doing. Promised sun and moon, and they already denied fulfilling any of their election promises. Their approval rating dropped 15 points during their first 3 months and OH BOY you gonna see stuff happening in upcoming years.
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