I am done with Obama

As a liberal I can live with obama’s very right wing leaning, but he officially lost me with
this latest welfare for the rich program known as bush’s tax’s cuts which he renewed.
Tax cuts only increase the deficit and does nothing about creating jobs. It is a fact
that you get only 83 cents back for every dollar in tax cuts, so the net is a loss for the government
of 17 cents for every dollar in tax cuts which is a major reason for our massive deficit. So
the government is simply giving away our money to millionaires and billionaires like they
really need it. So once again, we are screwing the middle class and the poor to give to the rich.

Kropotkin

Hear, hear, Kropotkin!

I fear for this country and the world. The whole government and the rich have turned into the epitome of Mr. Scrooge.

Oh no jonquil not scrooge. Scrooge finally came around and gave a goose. The rich will always be, and they will control most things but not asteroids.

As a sidebar, there is already movement in congress to “modernize” social security which really
means turning over social security to wall street. I have friends who are stock brokers and analyst
and within the industry, they are drooling to get their hands on social security because they
openly admit its a cash cow waiting to be milked. If they get their greedy mits on social security, its over.
The rape of America will be official and all that money will be drained into wall street in the form of bonuses
and salaries and what will the average american get?

Yep, nothing at all except the opportunity to never be able to retire because they aren’t going to be any
pensions or retirement funds left after wall street rapes it.

Much to look forward to, I mean working untill I die, so wall street types can get big fat bonuses and salaries.

Kropotkin

If you wish to understand Barack Obama, google Bilderberg Group.

Bill and Hillary Clinton are members of it. As is Timothy Geitner and Henry Kissinger.

And one day Barack Obama will be sworn in too.

Here is a list of Obama campaign contributers from OpenSecrets.com. They reflect the heart, the soul and the bank accounts of America’s very real ruling class.

Goldman Sachs $994,795
Harvard University $854,747
Microsoft Corp $833,617
Google Inc $803,436
Citigroup Inc $701,290
JPMorgan Chase & Co $695,132
Time Warner $590,084
Sidley Austin LLP $588,598
Stanford University $586,557
National Amusements Inc $551,683
UBS AG $543,219
Wilmerhale Llp $542,618
Skadden, Arps et al $530,839
IBM Corp $528,822
Columbia University $528,302
Morgan Stanley $514,881
General Electric $499,130

Peter--------The first rape has already happened. The federal government has used the excess social security $$$$$
for general funding of wars, bailouts, and all kinds of goodies. Since we are sheep we will be raped no matter what.

I don’t think the world is going to come to an end. Obama did what he had to do to get the economy moving again. It ain’t over. The republicans are now in a lose-lose situation. They want to cut the deficit? My ass. They could care less, and every attempt to cut this or that spending will be gouging someone’s sacred cow. The result will be another two years of do nothing and they won’t be able to blame the dems this time. The disillusioned tea partiers will turn against the repub establishment and 2012 will be a huge wakeup call for both parties. There will be a further clamp down on the financial markets and the rich will see those tax increases. The sheep will be prime to rebell and both parties will feel the heat. It’s just starting to get interesting…

Yes, Scrooge. They have a mememe attitude with no spirit of giving. I say bah humbug to all of them. I’m in the Christmas spirit 24/7 if you want to know, and I don’t control anything. As for asteroids, what do you think would happen if they could be mined for enriching commodities like gold, silver, copper, or even coal? We’d have space mining companies out there in no time flat, yessirree.

Anyway, dear turtle, consider yourself gifted with a beautiful white virtual Christmas goose. God bless us everyone!

Virtual goose for turtle here:

Yes PK, SS is on the way to destruction after Wall Street gets its hands on it and starts the looting process.

This is such a sad week for America and most Americans, but a great day for the rich.

PK

I think you should direct your frustration towards the system, not Obama.

The backtracking and compromises on the part of Obama are as a result of the intransigence of the Republicans in the form of their petty contrarianism(of which both parties are guilty) and the media in the form of misinformation(primarily fox news).

Everything that Obama has tried to do in terms of policy, lawmaking, and restructuring has been in the effort of bringing an anachronistic U.S governmental and military structure into the twenty first century.

The United States before Obama, and due to his inability to perform in reform, during Obama is an entity still living in a state far too akin to that during cold war. This is evidenced in the attitudes of the media to China and to other nations that the U.S finds itself in opposition. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the U.S has been arrogant and a bully in international politics for far too long. 9/11 was the world telling the U.S that it can’t throw it’s weight around without consequences. Bush did not listen to that warning, but persipitated the situation with his ignorance and his arrogance, and by responding to a problem with the same actions that caused it in the first place. I quote Albert Einstein, ‘‘the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results’’. The U.S government is indeed in this category, if not also amnesiac, and paranoid to the point of not seeing the real threats.

All systems are self preserving, but are at the whim of their environment for their survival. Obama(and those who support him) is trying to be an agent of evolution in the system in order to adapt to a new geopolitical environment. The difficulties facing the U.S has nothing to with the world being are harsher place, because your environment is only as harsh as your unsuitability to survive in it. The system is trying to preserve itself at the expense of the American people, and refuses to evolve.

I see people like Glenn Beck saying(aside from his megalomaniacal and psychotic, manipulative rantings) that the U.S needs to get back to the ideas of it’s ‘‘founding fathers’’, and of course he is wrong. He is so resistant to change that he is trying to promote regression!? He is missing the point (I am going to forgoe expressing my frustrations at the religious nature of the american political system at great effort). Looking back at the founding of the nation would not be a bad idea if you looked at the willingness of the founding people to be dynamic in their approach to forming a system and the fact that the founding of the United States was a casting off of an anachronistic system that was out of touch with reality. The British were running the place like a colony, when it had grown into a fully fledged and independant socio-economic entity. The current system is running the U.S like a Cold War super-power where it’s enemies could not strike at it directly, and only fought open pitched warfare. 9/11 and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have shown that to be folly, and the U.S is finding nigh on impossible to react to said change. The Cold War mentality was simple and that of the preceeding millenia…‘‘Them And Us’’. The government found it quite easy to manipulate the population through simplistic rhetoric that exploited a sometimes real, but always hyperbolised fear. Now we live in the age of information, and the age of ideas. The post cold war administrations (and it must be said, corporations) have not found it so easy to manipulate the populace… ‘‘That intangible, unrelatable, and unidentifiable Idea…and Us’’, is not so effective.

Sorry for digressing, but I feel it was justified and worthwhile in moving the discussion on.

A side note on the comments made about social security.

Not ‘‘handing it over to wall street’’ as you put it, is a waste in economical terms. I hate capitalism as much as the next person, but I must insist that if you are going to play the game, at least play the game right.

The people in ‘‘wall street’’ (stupidly generalistic term) are there because they don’t milk things dry, but optimise the potential of assets. Social security sitting untouched is as much a waste as an untapped natural resource. Now, I can hear the protestations already, so I’ll address them as they are based on reactionary ideas and points of view.

Bankers and stockbrokers make mistakes. Does that mean we should imprison them all or stop them from handling money? Don’t be rediculous.
The Deepwater Horizon exploded and oil leaked into the Gulf of Mexico. Does that mean we should imprison oil company employees or stop using oil? Don’t be stupid.
The Chernobyl nuclear power plant has a meltdown. Does that mean we should imprison nuclear scientists or stop utilising nuclear energy? Don’t be silly.

See a pattern? People make mistakes. Accidents occur. Yes, accidents and mistakes are technically avoidable, but there will never be a solution to human error.

Stop being so reactionary.

If you cut yourself shaving, do you stop and let all your hair grow until you start tripping on it? No, that would be insane. People make mistakes, but try to learn from them, instead of regressing. There is no guarantee that the same mistakes will not occur again, but there are no guarantees in life, full stop.

The Social Security Trust (a.k.a. Ponzi Scheme) is doing so well that apparently employees will be paying only 4.2% of the first $106,800 of their 2011 incomes as opposed to the usual 6.2%.

That’ll help everyone out, at least, until the Social Security Trust is finally tapped out.

*It should be noted that, fortunately, employers will pay the same amount of wages for 2011.

Peter he was pretty much extorted by the threat of raping the tax cuts for the poor. It was on the news and stuff. I think he was opposed but didn’t have much of a choice.

That’s true, but the Social Security thing was just stupid.

What you mean the whole original idea?

Yes.

Well, yeah, but I was also referring to this one-year cut.

I say any old people who are getting money, let em keep getting it, if they need more, let em have more.

They’re some of the only people in the country who own shit. By the time we’re all too old to work, all those old people will be dead and the market will be flooded with homes on the dirt cheap. We can let them take a little cruise or something now if they want. They’ll all be donating all their possessions to the next generation soon enough.

Peter what about the whole re-working of the student loan system thing they did? Obama should be given credit for that one. Mofo prolly saved me like 20k by the time its all said and done.