i can't cope without escape

how much is out there?
i reduce, to fathom
i simplify, to overcome
i deride
so to free
every crying spirit
within me

I escape and hide from all the bad shit out there.

And they run after you like dogs. :smiley:

and then what happens to them? The spirits, that is?

lol
they die without a body to survive in? like a fish out of water…?
but i just keep producin em :\

Yes, like dogs. But I have found some good hiding places. And I try to stay out of the line of fire.
But eventually you die. There is no escape. I cannot escape with illusions or delusions.

Maybe you escape escape, and the illusions and delusions, by “dying.”

JONQUIL-----------can you tell me more? I don’t get what you are trying to say.

When I said, “Maybe you escape escape, and the illusions and delusions, by ‘dying,’” I meant that through “death” you come face to face with all that is real: no more escape, no more illusion or delusion.

It’s like a shadow, too.
It’s always behind you.
You can’t escape from it.
It can be scary.
It seems to disappear when you hide in the dark.

Dogs or shadow, you may want to observe/learn about them so that you can out run, hide, easily/efficiently. :slight_smile:

I think it’s more like “You cannot escape FROM illusion or delusion”.

NAH--------------I think some do escape from illusions and delusions. That is a big problem.

It’s not my problem. :smiley:
If it becomes my problem, somehow, I’ll take care myself.

Escaping from delusions into delusion, swinging and spinning insanely.
That’s pretty much the basic of existing, I’d say.
Getting awake from one layer of delusion usually means waking up into another layer of delusion.

Sure, it can be more pleasant or easier to suffer, at least. :slight_smile:
But the basic structure remains the same, at human level to different awareness level.

The big N---------“How can existence be made bearable, once we grasp what it is really like”
What ideas do you have? How are you able to bear it?

Logic tells me that the only escape from illusions and delusions would be out towards the direction of reality. There is great paradox here.

I usually think of escape as moving away from reality towards illusion and delusion, as a coping mechanism so to speak. However, if the world that we call “real” is actually one of illusion, and we are deluded in thinking it real, then an escape from it means a whole new path and view of reality.

lol
funny

Why do we have to bear? If you have to bear, I guess it’s probably because you still have too much expectation or crazy desires.
If we grasp some of the nature of existence, it would destroy these expectation and desire. If they are still there, creating conflict, it may mean your grasp is still more or less superficial (or it can be only subconscious) that expectations and desires are still intact.

Some people do commit suicide, but it’s still based on the hope that ending physical existence will terminate the suffering. And it may worth trying, but we don;t have any guarantee for that.
Also, we are supposed to die sooner or later that there is no need to hurry to see what happens when we die.

Other than that, notion of time, self, separation, certainty, etc can be damaged or even destroyed and thus there can be no “self” that has to bear, no certainty to bear, no time to bear, and so on.
It’s like there only remains suffering (and bit of pleasure, which is a subtle form of suffering), but no entity that suffers.

Unfortunately, to get that point many things would be destroyed and it’s like many small death with the suffering that come with them. :slight_smile:

I think it’s easier to “bear” (if you have to bear), when you don’t have any false hope.
And basically, I think it’s better to understand that we would suffer in different ways) till the end of the existence, which can be billions and billions of years in human time frame.
I think the idea like “heaven” and even “nirvana” are lie, in a way.
There is no escape from suffering. And that’s for pretty much eternity in our notion of time.
Rich and poor, human and beast and angel and gods, we all suffer, endlessly. :smiley:

lol

so maybe they never really die? crying spirits have deep roots…so you need different tools :wink:

hmm
but what :confused: