I don't get Buddhism

So you’re saying I won’t be able to take you fishing.

Nope, nothing new here.

Note to others:

If you think you do spot something new in his posts, please advise me. Also, if you think I come up with something new, please advise him in turn.

Anything to bring the Old Phyllo back. :wink:

Of course, you don’t respond to anything that I wrote.

His shot at you is an ironic one and seems not to have bothered you.

Ironic because…can he present an argument that would show all rational people that I am obsessed - a word with a pejorative, that is negative value judgment in it. IOW demonstrate to all rational people that my actvity in relation to him is negative. For me, for him, for others. Since obsessive carries that value judgment.

IOW in an is/ought word he just accused me of a negative value.

I personally would say ‘focused’, a neutral word.

But like his nemeses, the objectivists, he’s happy to point the value finger when it suits him.

And it’s not quite expose, though exposing specific things he does is something I do. My main goal, however, is like the people who puts signs up on the beach to stop swimmers on days when the bacteria levels are too high. And while doing this, and even more important, since I am quite selfish, is for me to, in the processed of warding off his bs, really understand it.

There is a lot of this type of thinking out there, often not in the more complete, thought out form his posts end up being. There is a lot of this very mental, judgmental set of memes and people who carry them who attack life. He often talks about being concrete, but his relation with others is utterly in the clouds and abstract, as is his relation to life. And there are quite a few voices out there that want to undermine being alive in any way and making any choices. Not merely nihilist in the sense of not believing in objective values, but hating anyone not in a pit of negative pouting. So in containing him, and mocking his arguments, in pointing out there silliness and perniciousness, I recognize and deal better with the parallel ones I encounter IRL.

He’s like a sparring partner. But one best dealt with by not inviting to where you train. As are the others, in general. They are sticky goo. They don’t want to get out of the quicksand, they want to drag you down with them.

And actually I think he is not taken as seriously as he used to be. If I have contributed to that, great.

Again, post something that I haven’t already gotten from you many, many times and I’ll respond. And, of course, the other way around.

And now I’ve recruited others to be on the lookout as well.

Note to others:

Anything new here?

Also, anything relating to the actual discussion of Buddhism? :wink:

You wrote some trash about me in order to get a response out of me.

Why else would you write “invite Phyllo to join the Communist Party for a few weeks”.

Say the Demon’s name and he will come.

Okay. Now that you have my attention, you won’t discuss anything. Not okay.

You like pulling my strings? Pulling everyone’s strings? Is that it?

You read these words and think one thing. I read them and think something altogether different. We’re stuck.

You won’t even own up to that one line that you wrote or acknowledge my response to it.

This is the sort of thing I get from Ecmandu!

Yes. And with good reason.

Apparently in your twisted mind you think everyone thinks that I’m nuts, and that this is some kind of QED post.

You have no external reflection or self reflection.

I actually thought you were an AI bot for a couple years.

That doesn’t say much about you.

The problem with Buddhism is that life is too awesome.
I’m like yay, food!
Cute puppy PATPAT
Omg flowerss
Fuck yeah
I mean what’s a little suffering.
It’s good for ya, builds character, makes for good art.

If you feel that way, then don’t become a Buddhist.

Pick another religion or philosophy.

Buddhism isn’t the only way. No religion or philosophy needs to be one-size-fits-all.

This search for the ONE TRUE religion/philosophy is a sickness.

Great advise! Thanks!

i would note the same thing biggs does about this seemingly causal dismissal that people toss around so carelessly. the fact is, if there is a ‘true religion’, and one rejects it, one is totally doomed to oblivion for eternity. i’d say this isn’t a matter to be taken very lightly.

of course i’m not saying any of this nonsense is real… only that for those who believe it is, they are incredibly cavalier about it. just another irony to add to the joke that religion and the people who practice it, truly is.

joe: hey man, know any good religions?

john: oh sure, there’s plenty. you should try jainism or maybe taoism.

joe: what about christianity?

john: oh that one. well, if it’s right and you don’t choose it, YOU BURN IN HELL FOR ETERNITY. but that’s no big deal. just pick whichever one you want.

joe: kay

There is not enough information about whether there is or is not a true religion.

There is also not enough information to decide which is the true religion.

Therefore, there is not sufficient intellectual basis for the decision.

You ought to pick a religion that “feels right” to you. You might as well enjoy your choice. “Luke, trust your feelings.”

I’m not being ironic, casual or blase about it. It’s how I see the nature of this particular decision.

Commodore Biggs gets all wrapped up in the importance and complexity of it. Pointlessly so … since he gets no closer to the truth by obsessing about it.

Well put.

This might actually make sense if there wasn’t so much at stake!

With religion you get a foundation [here and now] from which to differentiate right from wrong behavior. And [there and then] you get one or another rendition of immortality and salvation. Call it Heaven call it Nirvana call it whatever other denominations opt for.

But to acknowledge that and then just shrug and say, “try Buddhism, and, if it doesn’t work try something else” just seems ludicrous to my way of thinking.

Sure, I wish that somehow I could figure out a way to make that leap myself. To believe that objective morality and immortality exist whatever path to enlightenment you take on this side of the grave. That’s got to be a hell of a lot more comforting than believing that, morally, we live in an essentially meaningless world that ends in oblivion.

I’d do it if I could. But it’s not like flicking the switch to on in your brain and suddenly you see the light.

In the interim it’s like a catch-22. Folks here tell me to try out all of the hundreds and hundreds of paths to enlightenment and see which one comes closest to bringing me comfort and consolation. Meanwhile I’m thinking that given what little time I have left, I need more incentive to pick the paths able to at least convince me that their beliefs are able to be demonstrated as in sync with objective morality here and now and immortality [if not salvation] there and then.

But then that’s just proof to them that I’m the problem here.

I see three problems right away.

The idea that thinking about the stakes will lead to a better decision. It won’t and it seems to produce a form of paralysis.

The idea that the decision can be made intellectually. It can’t.

The idea that the path can be demonstrated to you before you walk it. You demonstrate it to yourself by doing.