I Love God

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This title brings me back to my childhood days when everything was warm and fuzzy. IF you want your happiness back i suggest you believe in God because he will make your hearts and feelings turn into love. Love is the key to happiness.

Love God and you will feel empowered to love even more than you can imagine. Reason is for the unloving and those that dwell on pursue reason leave little in their hearts for love. A moderate use of logic is sufficient enough to live in this life. It’s the next that is most important!

Use the heart instead of the brain to power… Social progress brought religion to our origins as kids and our upbringing should honor tradition and religious rites. What will we have left without the message of God and God himself?

Know thy God and peace will be brought unto you.

Nietzsche would have been wealthier with a wife or Lou Salome, but he fell into the trap of hate and reason although they do not necessarily go hand in hand.

He wrote with Salome after his fascination with her and this spark of love made him write Thus Spoke in 10 days. This is the power of love. If you love Nietzsche believe in God who will make you love beyond what the senses can sense.

Don’t you miss believing in miracles! The rise of the sun that shines glory upon your face!

The assurance of God’s paradise!

The teachings of Jesus will show you the way sheep among the shepherd jesus christ!

I have not only felt but i have reasoned that god is the light. His logic exceeds my own and yours!

Emerson falls short in the spiritual realm of life! His reliance on self only gives life to those who already have little of it! Feel God’s presence like you feel your way to knowledge…

Have you ever stepped foot inside of a church? God was present and you know it! Yet it cannot be explained but these are the mysteries of God.

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chuffed

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Ahh thats cold Standard. Joekoba made a heart felt religious statement. Wether one agrees with it or not, at least see the passion within. It is not wrong to love and to say love for a heartfelt belief. Nor can one logically chuff at such passion. Beliefs are passionate things and beliefs in gods are the most passionate of all.

Disagree with ways and existance but, chuffing and dismissing passion is cold and wrong.

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joekoba, have you ever read “Life of Pi” by Yann Martel? The main character of that story, Pi Patel, has much the same outlook as you, I think, except he is Hindu, Muslim, and Christian all at once. He believes there are many paths to God, and the exclusivity of the various religions is due to man and not God. What do you think of that?

Personally I do not believe God is a separate being from the universe, or that he acts independently of human beings… but I very much respect Pi’s position.

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THANK GOD FOR PEOPLE LIKE JOEKOBA.

My conflict has always been that I do not believe there is a god but I feel the love that joekoba says he feels. I feel it eminating from existance itself, and the capability of that existance. I think that if people need a reason thats fine by me, if they truely believe, no skin off my nose.

BUT, Whilst the great emotion that god, or whatever you believe in can lead to love it can also lead to hate. Ultimately I think that the nature of a person is what this depends on. I feel this to be true as I can feel the balance in myself. I know I can be capable of great evil but I do not believe in hate, I believe in love.

Most people are neutral, most dangerous of all, because your will to live is not cemented. Whether you are influenced by love or hate, you are balanced on yourself, but if not it can lead to self destruction.

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You may be right Kriswest. It´s just the preach-factor which got me grabbing for a bucket.

I´m highly against the “convince yourself everything is great and you will be happy”; love God and Jesus and see reason as evil"; “honour tradition”; approaches.

Besides, why shouldn´t I simply love the mystery my feeble brain contends with? Heart, brain, whatever; all are feelings nonetheless.

And why do people always praise passion, coming out with the cheesy and common “I´m a passionate person”. What does that mean? To an alarming degree, passion is synonymous with danger. It´s what you´re passionate about that matters. Be careful with them. I can be just as passionate about life without needing a supreme object in addition to Being itself.

“Love life” would be more than sufficient, and better advice all round.

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We all are aloud to get cheesy and mushy from time to to time… No one expects to be agreed with especially on a forum like this.

Passion is dangerous if it is felt permantly or carried to fanatic levels rather. Do you realize we accept and blow off outbursts of anger and pain far easier than we accept outbursts of love and caring from others.

If someone screams out " I FUCKING HATE THIS SHIT" Well we blow it off and consider it acceptable behavior. If someone yells out " I LOVE MY LIFE AND MY GOD" We get queasy or chuff at it. It is considered abnormal. Why? What is the difference? Is it because we ourselves have not experienced such an unrelenting pounding of joy that would cause us to have such an outburst. Perhaps there is an underlying hint of envy or jealousy in us that we react in such a way. Recall we are talking about triggers and such as this in the other thread. It might be safe to think about this as tied to it in a way. What do you think?

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God is as powerful as any imaginary friend.

He can help you to evade real life and truth.

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Or enhance

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How does a fairytale enhance reality?

It may entertain, or inform, but enhance…nah.

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Is not information enhancing life? At any rate if you don’t care for fairytales then of course it would not enhance your living. I hate okra there is just no way it will ever enhance my life. I hate romances no way could one ever enhance my life.

If you do not like something then of course it won’t enhance your life. You have to have a fondness or a love of it for it to ever positively affect you.

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Belief in God is nothing but a silly superstition, and this superstition leads a significant portion of the population to be delusional. So, because your delusion “positively affects” you, the rest of us are supposed to believe it, or buy into it as well?

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I think love is a lot more threatening than hate and fear. If we love something, we expose ourselves to betrayal. Beyond that, love always seems to be asking others to join in, whereas hate and fear more often come across as content to remain the archetypical enraged and alienated individual. Plus, to show love is, in the animal sense, to show weakness. Someone who shows weakness deliberately seems to be hiding something: baiting.

If it will positively affect you, yes; if not, not. Is that so oppressive?

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SAM-- If this guy needs god to love, it’s his deal. I don’t need god, but I do love. I know where you are coming from though. I don’t need ‘‘fantasy’’(to debate all that your statement gives rise to would need to move to another section of the forum) as you call it, and when those that do start to become agressive one part of me pities and the other part(the same part) wants to kick them in their reproductive organs because they cause people like you to become caustic.

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Has no one else read any other ‘joekoba’ posts on this board?

Judging by them, I have to believe that in this post he is being facetitious.

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Apologies for the lateness (School project i had to tend to on parthenogenesis)

I want to thank all that have responded with reason, emotion and a mixture of both. The responses of chuffed and THANK GOD FOR JOEKOBA were quite opposites which i found satisfying as they both disbelieve in god.
I felt the need to post my first topic with this " I love god" statement because i was curious as to how people would respond and what their reasoning would be for my outright emotion. I created this topic as a curiosity of what reason is in relation to emotion and vice versa. I’d like to discover the disconnect between those that do not believe and those that do believe.

I figured I’d start with the source namely god’s. I think that emotion is fairly similar for a passion whether it be writing, art, poetry, or god. I’d like to know if god holds a different emotional feeling than that of those things i experience as passions. If i can argue that god feelings are equitable with other passions i could get closer to breaking down the religious battles of faith and supernatural feelings being real.

To argue with someone who does not believe in my logic i would have to enter their world of spirituality and see what they see and feel. Only then could i change their minds…through their emotions! The reasons will come once they enter my logical world.

Often the disconnect is dogma and ‘restrictions’ and other supernatural concepts. I believe that truly no one experiences these supernatural experiences directly and instead they only “feel” they perceive these emotions. Clergy men and the like assist in blurring the two aspects : True emotion for spirituality and the external trivial concepts of the supernatural to form their religion. The masses do not realize they are being duped.

As emotion is something personal and we’ve all experienced ( I hope) i was curious and still am to how one values emotion in relation to reason if pitted against one another. I had hoped to attract more religious but the responses of understanding and some of emotion in return were sufficient to ask some questions.

But first: To Aporia i haven’t read that book in particular, but i’ll look into it.

Kriswest, you have returned the compassion and i appreciate the defense of your beliefs.

I have a question for SAM and everyone else if they think they can answer it.

“Belief in God is nothing but a silly superstition, and this superstition leads a significant portion of the population to be delusional. So, because your delusion “positively affects” you, the rest of us are supposed to believe it, or buy into it as well?”

Is this a natural response logically to any “god believer?” If i excluded a few statements such as jesus christ and a supernatural god would you have reacted the same? If my god was more ambiguous would those that feel nauseated from this preaching, respond with these same statements? And again conversely, if i did not add this added touch of external supernatural concepts would the ones who commented with some sort of agreement react the same?

I think the disconnect truly lies with not the feelings of supernatural deities which are still discounted as being fantasy and lies etc, but as some have stated the details of my god.

Is this all that separates one god from another god? Just details of the unknown? The opinions based on tradition, faith, and emotion? The emotions are something real. The attachment of these emotions with a detailed god is fantasy, although emotions attached to a nameless god is real if one can redefine god?

I’ll add more later, must sleep.

  • Joe
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Joekoba–this is a philosophical ‘‘dogma’’ of mine, imperminent as it may be:

Everyone has their own belief of what reality is, but nobody knows the true ultimate reality and cannot. How we come about our belief of what reality is, is this. Our limited senses receive limited data from reality, this coupled with what we deduce or surmise is in reality but cannot be received by our senses. We deduce these things through many trains of thought(I use logic). Now, what we cannot receive, but can only deduce so far is a blackspot, and god may or may not be one such thing. You have to choose for yourself.

End of ‘‘Dogma’’(Kris, I’m not stealing your ideas I am learning from them) :smiley:

I can only admire someone who uses this to come to conclusions about their beliefs.

I choose not to believe.

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RC-- Being facetitious is the only way to get peoples true beliefs and reactions. If you provoke, you get answers.

If you know someone is being facetitious do not react like you know, or point it out, you will ruin a potentially good arguement. NOTE THIS WELL.

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But I was only being facetitious, TM, to get your reaction.

Thanks for not recognizing that. It worked.

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How do you know what you just stated is true? . . . through revelation? :slight_smile:

No one ‘chooses’ their beliefs. It is nonsensical to say “I don’t believe that x is true but I will choose to believe that x is true.”

We intuit, we observe, we surmise, we infer, etc., and we come to our beliefs based on that process. We never rationally say “I choose to believe x for no reason whatsoever.”

About your so-called ‘blackspot’ – can you tell me what cannot be there? Isn’t it possible that ANYTHING imaginable (i.e., God, unicorns, the pink flying spaghetti monster) might exist?

Yes, of course it is. And since this is true, what your ‘blackspot’ amounts to is ignorance about the world. Nothing follows from ignorance except ignorance. You cannot rationally claim that “Since we don’t know x, we know y.”

An honest person must say only “I don’t know x” and will wisely leave it at that.