A simple question; as we may ask if there is any survival for us, be it resurrection, reincarnation, or rebirth, wouldn’t the ‘I’ before us as an ‘I’ ask the same question. As such, wouldn’t the transcendent self/being have the greater right – so to say, of immortality, rather than its product?
Ancestral rebirth:
In ancient Britain, the Stonehenge builders believed in ancestral rebirth, that the incarnate spirit was not immortal as such. They mixed the skulls and skeletal parts around of different people, as if to suggest that ‘the ancestors’ were a collective, rather than an individualised entity. Its kinda like; John, Christina, and Arthur die, then the essence of their incarnate lives [who they were as characters/personalities] are reborn [note, not reincarnated directly] as e.g. Jason, Hugh and Mary. Yet we are in a sense the actor as well as the characters played, so perhaps as like in Buddhism, the essential being moves from entity to entity ~ like the flame of one candle is extinguished, the flame of another is lit.
Was the stone-age religion in some way similar to Christianity?
Well the said religion ended in the single lifetime of one man from the French Alps [known as the Stonehenge archer]. He brought with him metalworking and the bronze age to these lands, that is, all metal working as then known at the time, gold included and with it ‘bling culture’ or what we may call; Babylon [i expect you know the euphemism]! From that point on kings etc, were no longer cremated and placed in long barrows, but buried in mounds with precious grave goods. The culture that had united the nation had gone and a new religion giving immortality to kings etc had been born.
This is an entirely different kind of ‘paganism’ to that of the stone circle builders, who did not leave effigies of idols ~ or at least not in the same way. Equally Christianity changed, or tried to change that back to burials with no grave goods. Both religions appeared to see distaste in the Babylon pagan cultures.
See/google; ‘secrets of the Stonehenge skeletons’ for more details if required.
I believe that if the body is burnt more of the energy gets to be released and some of it could possibly go up into the remaining energy system which was still alive. Or, if you want to be berried, the bones especially will still be alive on a certain level. Not organically alive, but subtly alive.
Interesting notion, but i wonder if such ‘energy’ would just be raw? ~ rather than containing anything of the occupier of the vehicle.
As i currently see it, in an informational universe there is some manner of imprint [or recording] of the physical on the mind. Then that goes into the ancestral ‘mix’ whilst the actor [I before I] moves to a different persons or character. As i say, it’s similar to Buddhist rebirth, and Hindu reincarnation, but the blend is different.
I and I (also spelled I&I, InI, or Ihi yahnh Ihi) is a complex term, referring to the oneness of Jah (God) and every human. Rastafari scholar E. E. Cashmore: "I and I is an expression to totalize the concept of oneness, the oneness of two persons. So God is within all of us and we’re one people in fact. The bond of Ras Tafari is the bond of God, of man. The term is often used in place of “you and I” or “we” among Rastafari, implying that both persons are united under the love of Jah.
Psa 68:4 Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH, and rejoice before him.
Energy cannot be destroyed. Although I am not religious I would rather believe the old religions were right than the half baked apologetics that was used to put icing on the cake of mans’ wars.
Christianity is a fine religion in principle, as is Islam as is Judaism as is any modern religion. What makes me sad is only that we were never ready for it. And philosophy is valid, only and if only anyone would actually practice its core beliefs.
Jesus if he ever existed must not of wept but wondered why he even died at all given what the next 2000 years did to his religion. Tragic.
Jesus wanted the Roman occupiers out of the Holy Land, like the Pharisees did. But he didn’t support a violent overthrow, or human insurrection. He believed that God would intervene, throw the Romans out on their ass, and set up His Kingdom on earth. But God failed him. Thus, on the cross : “My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?”
Yes I know all about his times but Jesus also preached a message of peace that would be eternal, Mathew Vol “1”, the best of Jesus, book 5,6,7: sermon on the mount etc there’s a lot more. Unfortunately though we took that message turned it into a message that was intolerant and 2000 years of war in the name of God followed; of course Christianity did not cause those wars, but why on Earth would we see fit to use that rhetoric to condone them. There is no religion other than Christianity that quite so abandoned it’s core tenets which was my point. Jesus foresaw the future he was of course perfect but in seeing the future we made of his faith could he of not but wept but seen no reason to die for us? I wouldn’t of died for one pope, one person who abused his religion in the name of politics. Suppose I am not Jesus, but then how on Earth is that religion still holding it’s head up high with all the evil it does and is still doing in the world, with Jesus as its saviour. Religion should exist it is a powerful force for good, but only if people follow it. Will they?
You’ve gone off topic quite fast. Not entirely off topic, but we are now talking about religions twisting the image of their originators.
However, I do believe there is a sort of divine spirit inside of all things.
It is sometimes in a higher density in certain materials, species, souls, etc.
In other cases, there can be a object devoid of divine spirit, or even a negative material, for example, mercury is still useful as a material in certain technologies, but itself is a negative element. It is poison to a great degree. But it still can be used. This applies to the life, the soul, the being.
I happen to believe that certain materials, from plants and minerals especially, have a great spiritual value and significance. If you keep them within a few feet of your body, it will effect your energy and your reality. That was the idea behind medicine bags.
If it hadn’t been for Christianity, the wisdom of the ancient world would not have been memoralized by the monks in the middle ages all through the Holy Roman Empire. The Rennaissane would if it had occurred at all, would have probably taken a different turn. So our debt to this heritage is immeasurable. The spirituality of jesus was embedded in this tradition. This was foretold by the prophets so there is a before and after contextuality in Jesus’ message.
It’s very difficult not to believe at least the fact that Jesus was relevant. To Western civilization. His spirituality was embedded in that civilization. What’s not to believe?
Not exactly, if it hadn’t been for organised religion, all of the texts would of survived, cause like no one person would of decided to kill people by crucifixion, tearing them apart with horses, blood eagling them as an offering to Odin, throwing them in a bog, tearing their heart out while still alive and kicking them down the steps of the temple. Fact is religion existed, what it did sort of is the point.
Indeed! But more my attempt was that it pertains to a more ancient belief ~ Eden, i.e. anti-Babylon. I am speaking of a more varied understanding of that. The ancients of Briton had their Eden destroyed, the entire nation had been drawn together from all parts and in unity. Then Babylon came in a single instance and one man ~ i am wondering if there is a similarity there to the Christian view of Babylon as anti-Eden.
In my experience and a more contemporary view, Rasta’s and e.g. rainbow warriors [hippies] reached a communion where they understood one another even if in different terms. Somehow we [the hippies] had been drawn to Stonehenge and Avebury etc, and made festivals etc. The ancients had come from all over Britain to rejoice in festivals, as far as the Orkney isles but then Babylon came and the elite took to the pagan religion whereby a man could ascend to divinity and carry their wealth with them. Not unlike the pharaohs of ancient Egypt.
What i am essentially saying is that there is no need to equate material wealth/greed with spirituality! This was the original false assumption.
What I wonder is how the most Christian nation in the world – [size=85]those of “Ye cannot serve God and mammon,” and “Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth,” and “My kingdom is not of this world”[/size] – is the most materialistic in the world.
