I rose, I roared

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My boss told me yesterday I know more than I think. Actually its so far beyond that… I told him I always see other possibilities, I see other points of view and other possible occurrences of what happened, for example say if something goes wrong. Many times around here (at work) people will pin down an answer or a solution and run amok with it (mostly my boss), but I would be one of the ones to have a dilemma with jumping to a conclusion about what really occurred and then acting upon as if the assumption is true. There are many complexities, no system is full proof thus there are no error frees. The standard model of correcting problems and errors and improving upon things has become ridiculous in so much that every time there is a mistake, something must need to be fixed. Whether it is relevant or not doesn’t seem to matter so much as having a resolution and an upgrade or so to the method or system that led to the mistake. A lot of it is just smoke and mirrors to say to whomever (the customer, another boss) that “corrective action was taken” to prevent or diminish future occurrences, or at least reduce the consequences, of this type of error. As far as I’m concerned, personally here the whole entire system needs to be revamped but then again that would reduce my boss to a peon and have them spend a lot more money on my salary instead. Since my boss is the owners son and is trying to prove himself still, well maybe you can see where that gets me at this current stage. Cleaning up his mess and dealing with it, while I seek out a better opportunity to advance further.

I’ve also understand I’m not much of a risk taker. I did take alot of risks in my younger years yet they weren’t the sensible kind, so perhaps this is what has led me down a path of straight and narrow, as far as living out my life, playing it safe for the most part and living simply. My focus for me now has turned towards ramping up, rising a little more, transcending my past transcendence of coming from the depths of the abyss, I was once a fragile flower being stomped on, when I was much younger. However I progressed of course not only into manhood, but beyond those personality traits.

I’ve always thought I had it all, I have the world by its balls in many ways, I can stump people with complex verbiage while talking or do just the opposite, I can manipulate people but I prefer not to. I have integrity and honor instead, those I prefer. I know how to take things and shake them up, but I can go without that chaos these days. I can see people build their own traps, I play dumb alot just to see the show. I could intervene, but why? Anyways, these things I am going to ponder, any points on where you think you stand on matters like this would be interesting. Any advice would be welcomed. Thanks,

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Rose Lyrics
Artist(Band):A Perfect Circle

Don’t disturb the Beast,
The tempermental Goat,
The Snail,
while he’s feeding on the Rose
Stay frozen, compromise
What I will I am

Bend around the wind
Silently thrown about again
I’m treading so soft and lightly
Compromising my will
I am

I am, I will
So no longer will I
Lay down, play dead
Play your doe
In the headlights locked down
And terrified
Your deer in the headlights
Shut down and horrified when
Push comes to pull comes to shove
Comes to step around this
Self-destructive dance
That never would’ve ended 'til
I rose,
I roared aloud here
I will, I am

I am, I will
So no longer will I
Lay down, play dead,
Play this
Kneel down
Gun-shy martyr, pitiful
I rose, I roared
I will, I am

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Yes, your penis is very large and versatile WW3. Mine has since shriveled up and fled back inside my underwear where it’s safe.

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We acknowledge your penis size, so there’s no need to shove it down our throats and up our arses and make us swallow your magick, it’s incredibly painful and humiliating.

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Well that would be another topic but I am looking for insight, advice, and thoughts on risk taking and carving a path through all the B.S. of the world, so to speak. I thought that was clear.

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Yeah… sure…

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If I portrayed myself as a sorry sap who doesn’t know if he should walk out the door in fear of all these people walking around, I would discussing something not interesting at all nor relevant to my life. It doesn’t matter if you want to acknowledge me as being someone who can do what I mentioned or not, just pretend like it is such. Perhaps I just believe it haphazardly and I’m really incompetent. Anyways, what does that matter to you if I’m delerious and big headed? Perhaps I am. Maybe I’m not, maybe its just the opposite. How are you going to know?

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WW3, do you think there is an irony in your sticking to the straight and narrow, and yet criticising the growing business tradition of sticking to the procedure of doing anything at all to ensure safety?

It is indeed lame that businesses resort to tokens and gestures for fear of the law and/or losing customers/employees. The more every business sticks to the straight and narrow, the more they are all sucked into becoming increasingly impotent - unable to rise and roar.

Aren’t you insulting your intelligence when you hide from risk taking due to making some mistakes when you were a kid - implying you’ve not learnt from them and would only have the very same experience if you took risks again?

The point of risks is that you don’t always make bad ones that fuck you, but also awesome ones that the straight and narrow would shelter you from. And even if you do make bad ones, you can moderate your risk taking so that you can appropriately recover from any adverse effects of it - you don’t have to shut it out altogether in favour of predictability. You don’t look so old that you’re already too exhausted to ever be able to handle risk and misfortune again.

Surely you know all this anyway, what is this thread for?

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angry--------why are you working at your present job.

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I don’t know if I consider doing “anything at all” to ensure “safety” to be straight and narrow… but I understand I think your point that companies do not progress nor take risks which is why they do fail. Currently I am not in a position to fail as opposed to becoming more stagnant in my potential, because the company seems to becoming more stagnant. Where I work now we I was the second employee hired, the first was a fork lift driver and he’s long gone. I’ve helped built this company to the highest profit levels that surpassed our other two locations within 2 years and just last year we moved to a new facility with 3 times the space, brand new and more capacity all around yet I foresee some troubling signs of growth cessation. So we’ve been very successful and I want to continue, not level out and or go backwards at this point which is also more possible than any other time previously. As far as me personally, to jump ship is very risky and I understand the rewards can pay off. Often its difficult to change jobs with complete parallel"ity." (Yes that should be a word). I’ll lose senority, respect, and possibly be in a lower position to work myself up again. I may end up in a worse situation. My dilemma is that I do not want to ever take a hit when the opportunity is unclear, so I’m very careful in what I am considering. One thing is making an effort to a completely new career, which would be much riskier however would require a whole lot more effort and would nearly throw away all the effort I’ve put into this career line. Thats about where I am now I suppose.

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See my reply to sil

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angry------i saw that…i want an answer to me…

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Warning issued.

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So… you want advice on whether to stay in your job or quit? Is there supposed to be some philosophy in this?

I’ve done a bit of business studies, but know nothing whatsoever about why you’re company is stagnating. You’ll know a lot better than I about the ins and outs - what the variables and causes are. If profits continue to fall and the business seems like it’ll go under then you’re supposed to do the shitty thing and jump ship to watch it burn from afar - that’s what Capitalism is all about. The free market plays around with people’s means to live on purpose, and you gotta maintain that stuff somehow - even though wherever you go to will probably rise and fall just the same. You need to be at least prepared to jump ship on your own.

My professional life has involved a year working for a private company, jumping ship before it went under at that location to do the same job for the same company at another location under a franchisee, which then went under after a year or so, which was then bought back by the business, which then went under after not long, which was then bought by a company on the rise, who I worked for for another year or so. I went into another line of work for a suffering (probably declining) publically owned company for a bit, and now I’m self-employed as a franchisee for a growing company.

I’ve hopped around plenty, in all sorts of differing environments, so I know some stuff about jumping ship, taking risks, new companies, new bosses. And I still probably can’t help you.

Tbh, it all sucks - I call for a major re-evaluation of the whole thing.

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No I don’t want advice on what to do I’m looking for generalizations on the topic :slight_smile:

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I have respect, seniority, I make a living, have stability… Plus the job market is flooded with employees looking for work. I like an opportune moment. I’m just seeing whats out there. I don’t really want this to be about my job so much though as opposed to general philosophy on the matter.

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Ok, so it’s a topic about risk?

I suppose I’ve said what I have to say about that in my first post - the second one was in response to your reply to my first post specifically only talking about your business, hence the confusion and not feeling I have anything more to say now.

Risk is your wake, stagnation your sleep. If I feel tired, I sleep, if I feel like waking up, I wake. I don’t really deliberate it - my mind sorts it all and figures out what to do by itself… That’s “a philosophy”, but I don’t really feel like I’m philosophising here.

Is this a head vs. heart thread, or is that just what I’m making of it?

If such a situation arises where your head and heart are conflicted - like I said, I call a re-evalution of the entire system. Do you have any ideas on the bigger picture?

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angry-----question for you------what would you like us to say to you----what would be the very best thing.

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Life always involves some sort of risk, otherwise it would lead to stagnation. IMO, risk-taking results are mitigated by clear thinking, before hand, and making the results work, once the decision is made–whether or not you choose to take the risk. Weight as many angles as you can–pros and cons–and always be prepared for unintended consequences, because they’ll always come up.

My Dad always said, “Where do you want to be 10-20 years from now?” He meant what do you want with your life and how do you intend to reach those goals? If you went to college, you took a risk’; if you’re married, you’ve taken a risk; if/when you buy a home, that can be a real risk these days–what’s the neighborhood like, how are the schools (if you take the risk of becoming a parent,) how close are the services? I’m really not changing the subject–these are things people should ask themselves, imm, before making any life-changing decisions.

Question and answer yourself as honestly as possible, talk with people in your family, but always trust yourself. That way, you’ll be able to say you made the best decision possible at the time and not have any regrets. To me, it isn’t so much a fear of risk-taking as it is a fear of the possible, negative, unintended consequences.

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Make of it what you want, hopefully my post can prod some new thoughts or some territory we don’t really cover here, whatever comes of it we may. The bigger picture? The system? The grand pooba of systems, the entire socio-economic model? Should it can it change and how much? That’s a big question there.

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Well if I knew that I wouldn’t open up a discussion for it eh?