If Christianity isn't true....

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If Christianity isn’t true…

If Christianity isn’t true it’s one of the most complex and logical ideas of something unseen of as modern observation has it.

How big some mens egos are, we are small!!!

But yet we know everything about the universe.

Atheist want to forget that Newton was a religious person, da vinci-hydraulics, pascal-hydrostatics, kelvin-energetics, kepler-astronomy, boyle-chemistry, louis agassiz-glacial geology… just a few but for some reason these men were idiots for believing in God…

If Christianity isn’t true, biblical writers must have been so keen as to predict future events like prophecies, and some have happen, but yet these are discarded, because Christians and people of the like are dumb.

If Christianity isn’t true, why is so much debating put into it? And yet so many still keep their faith, but then some have to make up lies to cover over the truth of it.

If Christianity isn’t true, Jesus Christ couldn’t have existed, or must have been a maniac or liar, but he really couldn’t have been if whats written is true, so we have to conclude Jesus couldnt’ have existed, but yet evidence shows he does.

If Christianity isn’t true, it’s gotta be ranked high on things to falsely believe in that will change your life.

If Christianity isn’t true, the universe is so incredible we will never understand it in our lifetime, we’ll probably be destroyed before this time comes or use up all our resources…

If Christianity isn’t true, this planet doesn’t have much time left, and niether do you.

If Christianity isn’t true, I must discard everything thing that hasnt been able to be disproven.

If Christianity isn’t true, you won’t bother replying to every sentence I’ve written here because there wouldn’t be a point unless to persuade me which doesn’t seem likely since I’m not a moron.

If Christianity isnt true, I might as well live like the atheist and agnostics who live day by day caught up in a sorta dream land of unimportant activities until we die and ask the question if maybe we should have considered Christianity.

But you know what, I don’t think any of you really think Christianity is a dumb consideration, deep down I think all of you believe it’s rather reasonable, but this would blow anything you’ve ever stood for out of the water, you’d have to say goodbye pride, and you don’t want to. Why does Dan Brown decide to attack one of the most reasonable religions in the world? Well, if you can’t disprove something, create a straw man! Who knows it may help his political affairs!

If Christianity isn’t true, unbelievers have done a great job of proving it is. Thanks.

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It is one of the most illogical ideas since Christians presume that they know everything about the universe despite the fact that we are as insignificant as a grain of sand in the vastness of time and space. Athiests and scientists are still discovering about the universe and admit there is alot they don’t know about it and some things which are beyond human comprehension such as the idea of when time started or the theory of infinity. As for Newton and all those other inventors, they may have been scientistsbut they were still men of their time who were indoctrinated into developing their faith and beliefs from childhood and who lived in a much bigger world if you get me (no planes to prove heaven wasn’t in the clouds).

What prophecies?

So many still keep their faith in the face of adversity due to an overwhelming ignorance to scientific facts and experimentations that prove otherwise.

Any respectable historian will tell you that Jesus did exist but that he was in fact a Jewish revolutionary that believed in the son of man and that the world would turn on its head, all you have to do is read some books about the facts and the real story behind the bull.

Yes it’s been responsible for the most wars, murders and exploitative injustices in human history.

Why can’t you accept and be fascinated by the fact that we still have things to discover about the universe. Human existence, like the dinosaur’s realm was only supposed to be a minute part of this planets history, and Christianity does not have anything to do with the depletion of resources or the advancement of weapons of mass destruction, that is a political issue primarily the fault of capitalism and competition due to the selfish tendencies of human nature.

The evidence of science reveals the inconsistencies, impossibilities, contradictions, and absurdities contained in the Bible. Yet still Christians either remain ignorant or attempt to change the original teachings in order for their religion to survive in modern society. You may as well discard such nonsense since all you need to do to see that there is no truth in the Christian religion is to look at the conduct of the individuals who are its votaries.

Athiests don’t care whether or not people will be persuaded against it or not, they base their arguments on factual evidence which you can either reject it and remain a moron out of pathetic ignorance like most people, or consider it.

Well it sure is an imaginative story and some of the moral teachings within Christianity I agree with, but I have done pretty well without it and you’re very deluded if you think that real athiests have ever even spared a seconds thought for believing the biggest lie in history, so thanks but no thanks.[/i]

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Presume to know everything about the universe? No that’s the atheist, the Christian believes there exists something beyond our own findings as of now.

aboutbibleprophecy.com/

What facts our these? Hmmm? What science?

Show me a site or some information that proves biblical claims of Jesus are wrong?

Give me some contradictions, inconsistencies, etc. ?

Never heard one factual argument against Christianity.

Why do you agree with some of the morals in the bible?

Well of course that’s the point, they’ve only spared seconds.

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Because of idiots who think it’s true.

I don’t get your logic, but if you say so…

I agree.

We’re so much better off with Christianity, which at the start says we can’t know everything, so we won’t get our hopes up.

It does have time, and so do I.

Why?

Hope springs eternal.

You can do that if you like, but you will not a sample representative of the Atheist population.

I am interested in your reasoning here.

The only reason that book was popular was because you Christians made it so. Nice job. I don’t think Christianity is dumb. I think it’s reasonable. It would blow things I stand for out of the water, so I chose something else, because I value what I stand for more than I value what somebody 2000 years ago did.

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Well at least you admit it’s reasonable.

So then the road turns at highway I so to speak. But of course an atheist should be autonomous, what other choice does one have if they discard all supernatural.

I respect your answer however more than many others I’ve heard. But you must admit very few atheist are like you. There mostly made up of those who say they don’t believe in fairy tales so I don’t believe in God and they never read anything about Christianity.

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I think there are many who are atheist because God is logically impossible. That does not mean that belief in god is irrational or unreasonable. I do think many Christians can be unreasonable, but not that belief in Christianity is unreasonable.

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Can you explain why God is logically impossible?

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What caused him? Actually, what caused him, how does he work, where does he get the energy to do miracles, where are heaven and hell located, why is there evil if he is all good, why is he still active, how does a miracle work?

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Why can’t he have always been there? If you want to discuss causation, something had to have always been there.

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Why can’t it be us?

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Why can’t what be us God? How is that logically possible? How can we have been here always before what we live on? This needs to greatly be discussed if this is what you mean.

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Why can’t what we lived on be first? Or, specifically, the big bang?

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This was already stated but Scientists have admitted that we know very little about the universe. For one thing, we still have trouble figuring out what the hell is going on down here on Earth. Then we look up, and we’re lost. Relatively speaking, we’re less than a grain of sand. We really are insignificant and I’m willing to accept that. I don’t mean to start an argument but I think it’s Christians who have big egos. There the ones arguing Intelligent Design and that we we’re put here for a reason. The latter part I can accept, to an extent, but saying that we were made in the form we are right now is just plain ignorant.

Not all these men were Christian. There’s nothing wrong with believing in God and being Christian that angers me. What upsets me the most is those who 1) take the bible literally and 2) blind believers that never question their faith.

Now that’s just a farfetched claim. People just like to stretch the truth. I think people just like that security that the Bible can “predict” future events. Predicting the future is impossible. Get over it. The world consists of a series of random events that were unpredictable 2000 years ago.

Debating any form of faith is plain and simple a waste of time! The world is never going to come to one agreement that this is the religion for humans. And yet some convert, and some become atheists. Not everybody keeps their faith.

I don’t doubt Jesus existed, it’s been proven. Who knows who he actually was though? He could have easily been exaggerated. Do you know how many times the bible was rewritten? Do you know how many books were left out of the bible?

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I know this is a little over exaggerated and very humorous might I add but it gets the point across. He could have easily been interpretated to be someone he’s not.

It most certainly is. Up there with all the other religions (with the exception of some eastern one’s that focus on spirituality).

The sun has about 5 billion years left. I’d say that’s quite a long time.

Might as well.

I’d say of the religions out there, Christianity is on the more reasonable side. But that all depends on how one interprets it. I think for the most part it teaches good morals but there are also alot that I disagree with(homosexuality and stem cell research are only a few that I disagree with though). But as I said before the thing that ticks me off the most are the blind believers and a literal interpretation of the bible. And hey, I could care less what religion you choose, it’s your choice not mine. Just don’t preach to me or try and persuade me to join you’re religion because I’m not out there trying to unconvert Christians.

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I am. [size=9](I am the messiah, dontcha know?)[/size]

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It could, how does this make God illogical then?

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The bible has already predicted many events that have come to pass.

My friend you need further investigation into biblical matters, you’ve taken words from iconoclastic source of some sort. I think theirs a great deal to learn from the truth aquired from experience thread, maybe you need to pick up on that.

The sun may have 5 billion years left, so what? how do you know something won’t interfere? How do you know global warming isn’t true? How do you know mass chaos won’t break out? how do you know our planet won’t be shattered by huge meteors, many different possibilites, but you don’t have much time in your life left, and as a human race as a whole, within the universe, when is time ever enough.

Of course you will disagree with homosexuality and stem cell research, if we our all the product of chance, cells, why value such a thing as an embyro? Why believe man was created for woman? Of course, I don’t blame you.

The best argument for Christianity is a personal testimony and witness. I think one of the highest causes of atheism today is when a Christian praises God in the church and walks out a living contradiction denying everything Jesus stood for. That is what an unbelieving world cannot believe.

You know… If you’re not hear to persuade Christians I can only see the option that you are unsure of your beliefs, even though you may not admit it here, I probably wouldn’t either. Just know if you look hard enough you will find answers, I have. I’ve been back and forth on Christian versus atheism for quite some time now, let me tell you atheism has no where to go but man made theories on life. You can study Sartre and live existentially, Rand and live egocentrically, etc. But I can promise you none of these starting points will find you happiness, man will not find it for you, man will not fill the hole, autonomy will not fill it.

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Personally, I don’t think anything can predict events that far in advance. It’s impossible to predict specific events thousands of years in advance. And saying that’s the power of the Almighty Lord just doesn’t cut it for me. That is just what I believe and nothing will change that.

I agree with you there.

Alright then. Man was created for woman? This is what I think; no one was created for anyone. No species was created for a reason. That doesn’t mean humans have no meaning to our life. That doesn’t mean God cannot exist. That doesn’t mean we should throw our morals down a drain and forget about them. But we have to do what we can to survive, and stem cells are the way to go. I don’t want to get in to a debate about this, but I think they will have profound effects that we will never regret.

I’m not here to persuade anybody because it’s not my place to tell other people what to think, ecspecially when it comes to such an important topic like religion.

Here’s what I think:

I’ll be the first to admit I don’t what the hell is going on. I have no idea if God exists and if it does how powerful it is. But that’s part of my belief system. I think if God is too powerful for man to even begin to comprehend and there’s no point in trying to figure it out. It’s all just a waste of time. I’m going to live my life according to my standards and my morals and if a God does exist, it will recognize that and reward me in the end. Personally, when I look up (at the stars) I feel so insignificant and I take comfort in that. It puts me in my place. God didn’t create man and man alone; we weren’t its one and only project. And I think that’s why most people turn to religion. They like that security of knowing that humans are at the center of the universe and everything revolves around them. I think it scares the hell out of them to admit that we are here out of pure luck and chance. I think it scares the hell out of them that the world is a tiny blue dot and in reality, we are a grain of sand. We’re not that important. And personally, I don’t blame them. But once people get over that, I think humanity will greatly benefit from it. You can label that atheism, agnostism, or whatever the hell you feel like calling it, but that’s what I believe. As for spirituality, that’s a whole other topic…

And as I said…

I’m not telling you that you shouldn’t be a Christian so please don’t preach to me…I don’t want to hear it. I’ve heard it for nine years straight and I just don’t buy it anymore.

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Well of course you wouldn’t believe we can predict future events if you don’t believe in the supernatural, but if events have been predicted and have happened, then maybe you should question some things. You can’t discard such a thing and deny it so flippantly.

May I ask how humanity will benefit from knowing they have no purpose, they don’t really matter? If there is no purpose in the long run nothing is to be remembered, sustained.

I just don’t see how atheism is a better lifestyle?

Look, Christianity: You have a relationship with God, even if false you have something to believe in, therefore a high trust for morals that can be thought of as objective. You can have good defenses to how you live and show it logically instead of living in confusion. You can have proof of knowing believing in God and trusting him will save you from eternity in hell. Quite frankly I really don’t see why anyone wants to discard pascals wager. Christianity also allows you to be a part of something, you can get involved in ministries, find people you will be great friends with forever. You can also live with the promise that if God does exist he would have given us a fair chance, which he has, and he said that he knows every hair on your head. To God you aren’t nothing, you are something. You may not understand this but God does.

Atheism: Well… .You live for yourself, wow, I’ve done that gets you no happiness, you just keep searching and searching but nothing ever fulfills. You can live for others but then it really doesn’t matter because you are only doing it for yourself or out of pity, not for a higher purpose. Atheism breeds an Absence of morality, a meaninglessness of life, and a meaninglessness of faith.

Absence of morality leading to things like hedonism and fascism, leading to things like the holocaust(an atheist by the name of Neitzsche, you can thank his teachings for that), promiscuity-aids, -divorce, -family disintegration, crime. Meaninglessness of life leading to despair, rage, hey this leads to even school shootings, we know this. And when you have a Meaninglessness of faith, you are only bound to perscut religion and you won’t have a reason for it other than religion is a hindrance, but you don’t even know what that purpose that it’s hindering! if Atheism is true I’m in the same boat as you and I will live just as happy, if not a happier life.

I just don’t see the comparison here, but believe what you like, I’m not trying to force you, I’m only giving you these options so you can see for yourself. Yes I could go into this deeper if you’d like but I think you’d rather just close your ears and run off on untrue tangents.

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We will stop wasting our time arguing over who’s religion is better and who has the right one, whatever that means. The religious wars, some of the biggest problems to plauge this dear earth, will come to a halt. Religion will no longer stand in the way of science, which will allow us to advance at a much faster pace. And no I’m not saying just because we discard religion we discard our morals.

You can do all that without being Christian or part of any organized religion for that matter.

Atheism doesn’t mean we throw away all of our morals and live in mass chaos. Helping the less fortunate is not only valuable and appreciable when you belong to a religion. That’s just ignorant, come on now. It’s simply admitting that we cannot define what god is. Religion is certainly not neccessary for morals. A meaninglessness of life? Come on now, I like life, I enjoy life just as much as you do. A meaninglessness of faith? Now that’s just absurd, I have great faith in science.

If you are honestly saying the cause of the holoacust is because of atheism, that’s just ridiculous and farfetched. First of all, Neitzsche was greatly misunderstood by the Nazis and he was the first to admit that. And I highly doubt he condoned the holocaust in anyway.

And you’re not doing the same exact thing? Come on now, let’s not be ignorant. With that statement, you’re assuming that you’re living the right lifestyle.

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Then god is unnecessary. Listen, I am not the best at arguing the impossibility of god. I’m not really interested in it. Ask dorkydood, or somebody else.

Also, you didn’t reply to all the other things I wrote.