If "God" bothers you, substitute "Universe."

Bodhimalik · May 13, 2012, 9:02pm

God created the universe. He made it so that everything works perfectly. I don’t think He could make a mistake in His creating.

He gives us just enough air to breath, water to drink and food to eat

He has our stomachs digest food in a way that we couldn’t do on our own, has our lungs process air for Oxygen and then in some magical way, transfers the Oxygen into our blood and that blood delivers it to our cells so that we can live.

We take in carrots and lettuce and God magically uses those carrots and lettuce to form eyes, sweat, tears, blood, bones. We ourselves have nothing what-so-ever to do with any of that. It is done for us. We could never do that.

God, the Universe, is here for us. We are taken care of in ways we don’t understand. We don’t have to try to control what “is.” It’s already done for us, and much, much better than we can do on our own.

When our mind tells us that there is something wrong with the way things are, what it is telling us is that God made a mistake, but IT knows how to correct God’s mistake. And we tend to believe that our mind knows what it is talking about, so we follow its guidance. We lack faith in God’s benevolence in such a case.

Think on cats and birds and all the other animals, insects, microbes. They don’t reason like we do. They follow their instincts. We humans also have instincts to guide us, given to us by God. The problem comes when we allow what our mind believes to guide us instead.

Mind lies to us. What it tells us is not true. Some of it comes close to being true, but none of it is absolutely true. It tells us not to trust our instincts, but instead to use reason. Reason in a magical universe! Nonsense.

Our mind’s greatest concern is that its beliefs stay just the way they are. It does not want any change - in beliefs or circumstances. Mind is what tells us not to trust God, but to trust it instead.

So that’s what I am trying to get across - to trust God.

Our Universe is a friend, not an enemy.

James_S_Saint · May 13, 2012, 10:21pm

Think, “Principles of the Universe” (Elohim).

Tab · May 13, 2012, 10:38pm

wow.

Duality · May 14, 2012, 10:13am

Uh-Oh - it looks like we got a little carried away here with this section. Let’s re-examine this little gem here and see if we can Divinely analyze it piece-by-piece.

Seeing something wrong with the way things are, is not equivalent to = God made a mistake. Nor even necessarily that it knows how to correct God’s mistake.

It simply means that you are seeing something is wrong, and that there’s a problem - Oh No.

Those who think they know “how to correct God’s mistake” are simply anyone who doesn’t identify and behave as an Individualist Anarchist Existentialist.

Bodhimalik · May 16, 2012, 12:45am

To those who have a God, such an idea that something is wrong with the way things are, means that God made a mistake should be perfectly obvious - Since God created everything just as it is.

The “it” that you refer to is Mind. Mind creates reality, so if there is a mistake, IT knows what that mistake is and also knows how to correct it. Think on a person who kills another because they believe it is up to them to start Armageddon. There have been several instances of this phenomena. Or that if a person harms me, I must take my revenge. Of that if a cop gives me a ticket, it’s his fault, not mine.

I don’t think there are many people, if any at all, that believe they know how to correct “God’s mistake.” Religious people would not have the audacity to suggest such a thing, and non religious people who don’t believe God even exists would never have the idea they could correct an imaginary being’s imaginary mistake.

I have absolutely no clue at all to what"Individualist Anarchist Existentialist" means.

Bodhimalik · May 17, 2012, 7:00pm

Mess up here.

Bodhimalik · May 17, 2012, 7:01pm

What are you saying here?

James_S_Saint · May 17, 2012, 7:04pm

That “God”, technically, is defined as the CAUSE of the Universe, not the Universe itself.
Don’t confuse the Creator with the Created.

Bodhimalik · May 17, 2012, 7:48pm

What are you saying here?

[quote=“James S Saint”]
That “God”, technically, is defined as the CAUSE of the Universe, not the Universe itself.
Don’t confuse the Creator with the Created.

[quote]
Ah. Thank you.

Duality · October 19, 2012, 6:48am

Dude,

you are just not getting this at all. Equivocating these two ideas is just wrong son. I honestly dont even know where youre coming from dude. Do you honestly have any clue about any philosophically religious conceptions of the afterlife and why they are the way they are?

I sincerely hope you soon correct your misconceptions in the near future.

Your partner in Piety,

Duality [-o<

Noblerust · October 19, 2012, 10:22am

I am seriously a rather patriotic individual in private, but beside everything else, but I always like to replace the word ‘God’ with ‘AMERICA or USA’ because the same sort of irrational flavor is translated as a satirical sort of thing.

Bodhimalik · November 17, 2012, 3:22am

If God makes everything, and there is a mistake. Who’s at fault for that mistake??

And any “philosophically religious conception” of anything is just someone’s opinion.

Twilight_of_the_Idol · November 17, 2012, 7:56pm

People like to talk in terms of artist and artwork in this context, though I’m not sure I understand how they get there. Specifically, my question is: Why not? Why not equate the creation and the creator? Isn’t that what science does? Aren’t we supposed to be taking “the universe” to have “created itself” and thereby, by being the cause of itself, “the universe,” is, in fact “God”? Or are we throwing science out the window here and only quoting scripture?

WW_III_ANGRY · November 18, 2012, 1:53am

The universe is going to kill me… one day. With all its stupid laws of physics, It put a death sentence on me. I only have 0-50 years left before I can kill the universe first. If not, the universe wins and I lose.

Debunk.

The_Watcher · November 19, 2012, 5:57am

You could not substitute Universe for God, as God exists within the universe itself. Therefore God can not be the Universe. Existing within such also prevents God from being well… God, as to influence something you must exist outside of it. And to exist outside the Universe is to simply not exist, and since the universe contains everything in existence and even things which are not yet created and which do not exist, to assume God is God or a being such as God exists “as God is defined” even metaphysically would be an invalid assumption.

Bodhimalik · November 19, 2012, 7:04am

I should have said, "If ‘God’ offends you, substitute ‘existence’. " That seems better to me and thank you for bringing up the problem. I originally said, “use universe” not because the two words were identities, but because a lot of people have trouble accepting the word “God”, so I thought that “universe” would be more acceptable for those people. I never meant for them to be synonyms.

The_Watcher · November 19, 2012, 7:24am

Bodhimalik:

The Watcher:

You could not substitute Universe for God, as God exists within the universe itself. Therefore God can not be the Universe. Existing within such also prevents God from being well… God, as to influence something you must exist outside of it. And to exist outside the Universe is to simply not exist, and since the universe contains everything in existence and even things which are not yet created and which do not exist, to assume God is God or a being such as God exists “as God is defined” even metaphysically would be an invalid assumption.

I should have said, "If ‘God’ offends you, substitute ‘existence’. " That seems better to me and thank you for bringing up the problem. I originally said, “use universe” not because the two words were identities, but because a lot of people have trouble accepting the word “God”, so I thought that “universe” would be more acceptable for those people. I never meant for them to be synonyms.

God also can not be represented by existence, as existence is individual, and since god in and of himself does not in any way represent the totality of all existence (Which although he himself defines himself as the beginning and the end it is abundantly clear that this entity lacks any sort of power or knowledge to even begin to lay such a claim) (Which would also conflict with the universe as it itself also exists and God can not be labeled as it).

God can only be labeled as a Metaphysical Entity, Nothing more nothing less. But remember that in labeling what you believe to be God you also limit it. Though in truth metaphysical entities compared to the physical would be “gods”, in reality they are in fact no such thing, they are simply entities of the metaphysical, just as humans are entities of the physical. There existence in the metaphysical does not make them any more then you are, nor does you existence here make you any less then they are.

All things are limited, and yet all things are infinite. What applies to each can only be decided by you the individual and what you perceive to be true for “you”. The Universal Truth is irrelevant in this matter, unless you so choose to believe it rather then an individual one. and while said Universal Truth will remain true no matter what you believe, your individual truth is the one that effects you as an individual entity.

Bodhimalik · November 19, 2012, 8:59am

The Watcher:

Bodhimalik:

The Watcher:

You could not substitute Universe for God, as God exists within the universe itself. Therefore God can not be the Universe. Existing within such also prevents God from being well… God, as to influence something you must exist outside of it. And to exist outside the Universe is to simply not exist, and since the universe contains everything in existence and even things which are not yet created and which do not exist, to assume God is God or a being such as God exists “as God is defined” even metaphysically would be an invalid assumption.

I should have said, "If ‘God’ offends you, substitute ‘existence’. " That seems better to me and thank you for bringing up the problem. I originally said, “use universe” not because the two words were identities, but because a lot of people have trouble accepting the word “God”, so I thought that “universe” would be more acceptable for those people. I never meant for them to be synonyms.

God also can not be represented by existence, as existence is individual, and since god in and of himself does not in any way represent the totality of all existence (Which although he himself defines himself as the beginning and the end it is abundantly clear that this entity lacks any sort of power or knowledge to even begin to lay such a claim) (Which would also conflict with the universe as it itself also exists and God can not be labeled as it).

God can only be labeled as a Metaphysical Entity, Nothing more nothing less. But remember that in labeling what you believe to be God you also limit it. Though in truth metaphysical entities compared to the physical would be “gods”, in reality they are in fact no such thing, they are simply entities of the metaphysical, just as humans are entities of the physical. There existence in the metaphysical does not make them any more then you are, nor does you existence here make you any less then they are.

All things are limited, and yet all things are infinite. What applies to each can only be decided by you the individual and what you perceive to be true for “you”. The Universal Truth is irrelevant in this matter, unless you so choose to believe it rather then an individual one. and while said Universal Truth will remain true no matter what you believe, your individual truth is the one that effects you as an individual entity.

Bodhimalik · November 19, 2012, 9:04am

Homer Simpson was walking with God and He asked, “God, what’s the meaning of life?” God answers, “You’ll find that out when you die.” Homer says, “Aww, I can’t wait that long.” And God says, “You can’t wait six months?”