If the Christian God exits, then he must have known beforehand that Adam and Eve would be tempted and hence sin. If that’s the case then why create Humans at all? Also why create Eve second and not both at the same time?
If we are created in Gods image, does that follow that God is imperfect as humans are imperfect? Why would something perfect create things, which are imperfect? Even humans try to make the best things they possibly can, as we are made in Gods image, does it not follow she would too? Does this mean that she is imperfect and hence does not exist, or is she simply an underachiever?
That garden-of-eden doesn’t have to be taken literally.
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You must eat, you get sick, you get old, you die, etc.
You’re incomplete/imperfect.
But just because something’s not perfect doesn’t mean it’s bad or useless.
Spirits like Satan and demons and all that, biblically, are “perfect” unlike humanity and animals, because they don’t need to eat, they don’t get sick, or grow old, or die, etc. But they are “evil”. There’s a difference between evil and sinful. Moral Sin just has to do with errors that one refuses to prevent/control, whilst physical sin has to do with degenoration, defect and error.
So that’s basically the just of it^
Spirits don’t live in cyclic needs, so they are not “imperfect”. Whilst animals and humans are different.
But for a large number of people it is. We don’t need to take Jesus literally, but many people do.
So you admit we are imperfect, therefore God made an imperfect thing, albeit useful. Also the whole universe is imperfect. The Earth WILL one day flip on its axis, the Sun WILL explode or die, a comet WILL one day hit the Earth and maybe wipe us out (assuming WE don’t shoot it out of space). Therefore we must question if God is perfect and all powerful.
What useful purpose could the fact the sun will kill us be? You could argue that it will give us something to do, like build technology. Then you must face the fact that the Earth is not perfect. Hence my point, the Christian God is not perfect and therefore cannot exist according to scripture. Like I said GOOD humans try to do the best they can, right? If God is good, he would have done the best he can, right? Therefore what we see is the best God can do, right? Therefore God is not perfect, therefore God ( as we know it ) cannot exist.
Unless, like the Gnostics say, Satan created the earth. That is more believable to me.
Myeh…
[Hypothetically] You could live forever, whilst building something that would die or break-down after a few years. And it would not make you mortal if you’d so happened to create a mortal machine.
Same is true for said “God”. It can still be “perfect” whilst creating “imperfect”, because “imperfect” is anything other than itself: its lessers, depending on whom says so.
Not sure if I follow, the Sun will live forever because God has created a mortal machine? [Hypothetically], the spaghetti monster lives!
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“Same is true for said “God”. It can still be “perfect” whilst creating “imperfect”, because “imperfect” is anything other than itself: its lessers, depending on whom says so.â€
I’m just saying, it’s possible for an eternal to create a temporary, and it’s possible for a “good” to create a “bad”, etc. Such things would be entirely possible.
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“Same is true for said “God”. It can still be “perfect” whilst creating “imperfect”, because “imperfect” is anything other than itself: its lessers, depending on whom says so.â€
I don’t agree. Why would something that is good want to create a bad. Sure it can but why. God could create a comet and kill billions, is he then good? I don’t think so. You may say, he didn’t like our actions, neither did Stalin.
I didn’t mean that an eternal can’t create a temporary. I meant, we must assume that God has done his best. What we see is what God has done with ALL of his power. The fact that its not very stable proves he doesn’t have that much power.
Well, my main aim was at a Christian God. Now we are moving from that in to the realms of just “God”. The rest of what you say, I agree. somethig created us and we could call that God. He doesn’t love us though, talk to us etc…