Everyone says god is eternal, if it is eternal then time does not exist.
If time exist will not they grow old and die as well as everything else?
So relating to the whole nature of the circle, or a set of coordinated points on the circle. Time does not exists. Somehow, the laws of time is broken, yet there is still movment, and this movement I shall ask in the natural science thread.
Please excuse me.
I agree with the title assertion that time doesn’t exist if there is no absolute beginning or end, but then I read the statement above and have to disagree.
Time is a natural law that is only relevant and existent in the natural physical world or dimension. The creative force and energy IMO does not exist in this physical dimension, if so then energy must have some measurable mass or other physical characteristics. The fact that there is a set of laws that cycle the matter and life of this dimension is why Time is needed IMO. Anything that has beginnings and endings needs a set of laws to govern and we humans created the time table to measure this. Outside of this dimension, where energy’s source is (again my opinion) there is no need for time measurement or laws as there is no limit or end or beginning, it always was. IOW, any form of God would not exist on this physical plane or dimension according to my logic and thus be outside the time domain.
Time is a measure of motion.
That’s all.
It is a measure, and a clock, complete with calendar, is a measuring device.
That’s all it is.
It is only when we fearfully mentalize a clock and its measure of time to be something fantastically else, do we get caught up in irrational tail-chasing.
The “big bang” is not the beginning of anything significant to the person of God.
The “big bang” was simply a super duper nova.
God, in all of God’s material base and spiritual manifestation, existed before the “big bang”.
God’s eternal reality simply cannot be measured by any clock our mind can hold in conceptualization.
The steady state reality of God can only be glimpsed in part by us.
When we look all around us, we are seeing God, only an infinitessimally small piece of God, but a piece of God nevertheless, and we can take that piece and measure it with our very limited yardstick (space measurement) and with our very limited clock (time measurement).
Providing we don’t then get so fearfully mind-boggled with it all that we fantasize against the nature of reality, we can simply accept the reality of the eternal and infinite nature of God with respect to time and space, let it go at that, and get on with living our life as it is: finite, not only within the constraints of our yardstick and our clock, but within God’s as well.
Time doesn’t exist.
Nothing but the human animal counts time, which shows it is the construct of the fragmentary cognition of an inadequate being, for dealing with the incomprehensible.
You ever had a pet, Mastriani? Ever notice that is gets grey as, errrr, time passes?
Do flowers bloom in winter?
Hours, minutes, ect. are artificial, constructed measurements of time but time is real. It is the same idea as distance. No one denies the existence of distance, though we recongize that feet, meters, miles, ect. are all human constructs. Time is just another form of distance.
All animals count it and are aware of it.
Prove it. That’s unsupportable bunk, predicated upon the human arrogance to equate everything to our state of cognition.
Circadian rhythms.
That is a measurement of time, no? All animals have it, as do plants and (it seems) fungi.
We could also measure time as a function to teleomere shortening. Is that satisfactory. Or simple aging as bodies fail.
Correct, a time table is instilled in every living thing including plants, many cues come from environment but in cases of closed or changeless echo systems like caves and deep water animals still know when its time to mate, rest or migrate or to another area. However, as I alluded to this is only necessary in a system that has cycles and ultimate endings and beginnings like this physical world. I personally do believe in another non-physical dimension where there is no need for time.
time exists only when there is thought !!!
Age is not the only cause of death or cease of existance…
Incorrect. That assigned terminology with according definitions, again predicated upon the principle of human cognition, is present only insists that the perspective of proscribing human conditions to the rest of the natural world is being used.
You confuse your own prosciption of time as a fact, when it is your inability, (not “you” specifically, “you” meaning humans period), to understand that all causality comes from human cognition.
The rest of creation operates with the procession that does not count anything.
Circadian rhythms certainly exist, as manifestation of acknowledging concordance of procession.
Time is the most misunderstood thing I know of, outside of gravity. This is why few can comprehend the Universe. Time is a thing, a result of the photon/electron interaction. Time is a wave that is a result of the fourth dimension.
Time exists, god doesn’t. Unless your god is a god that created mankind. That is possible. A god that created the perpetual Universe is not possible.
No, actually that is an error of mathematical thinking, reductionism, from an aberrant human cognition, and blinded arrogance.
Simplest route to the end point:
Which was first … the universe or the maths?
If you don’t know the correct answer, or don’t understand why there is an incorrect answer, then you will likely never understand the initial foundation of the premise.
P.S. Deism doesn’t work here, so leave it out.
Depends on how you define ‘universe’ and what one thinks happened before the big bang.
The physical laws of the universe (which we understand through math) started with the big bang (insofar as I am aware).
How isn’t that time?
Of all people, I can’t believe you are not understanding this mechanism.
Nothing counts time. Humans cannot see the process as it is, continual. Start reductionism. Break apart. Piecemeal. Now we can see the pieces. Add human arrogance for cognition. They were always pieces because fundamentally we can only see them as such.
When a photon “moves” is it
E=mc^2E=mc^2E=mc^2E=mc^2E=mc^2E=mc^2E=mc^2E=mc^2E=mc^2E=mc^2E=mc^2E=mc^2E=mc^2E=mc^2E=mc^2E=mc^2E=mc^2E=mc^2
or is it
Do you really believe that the whole reason that a photon travels or “moves” is governance by that equation?
I know little of physics, so I cannot comment with any authority how a photon travels. Since it seems like most physicists favour the former explaination, I will side with that authority.
But I can say that circadian rhythms do measure the change (over time), just as age measures change (over time) just as movement measures change in distance (over time). If they aren’t measuring time, what are they measuring? What are they doing in your achronic model of the universe?
Of course time is a continual process (well, unless chronons end up being real but I don’t know enough to comment there nor does that have any real effect on day-to-day experience) but how does that make it not real? Time is essential for change within that process you mention.
How is this process you mention distinct from time? I guess that is what I am getting at. I’m with you that things like ‘seconds’ are arbitrary units, but I fail to see how that disproves time.
Help me out here, I do not think I am understanding you.
It’s okay Xunzian, sometimes we just aren’t meant to understand one another … nature of life.
You see the mathematical perspective that is held, as the cause of action in the universe. (time)
I see the universe as process that requires no cause. (flow)
Fundamentally different, and irreconcilable, perspectives. (human betwixt)
You damn Physicists !!! I wish David Bohm was here.
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Quantose is so small.
Words, so small.
Have you read my thread here yet?^
Interesting, since there are working popular theories that claim either one or multiple Big Bangs caused the expansion of space-time. Note the word time in “space-timeâ€. I can’t believe you infer to know of science but not know of a single peer reviewed theory concerning space-time.
If your gonna use science to refute Time, then you need to leave a lot of well respected science out of it.