I'll explain why truth is a form.

Ok ill explain why truth is a form, and thus it has an existence, but, it’s not ideal or perfect.

Forms are compound arrangements of the absolute element.
Everything around you and inside of you is a form.
Forms are subject to all of certain natural laws.
Forms are not expressions of their elements or essences, because the essence is just
a little vibration or a particle. A form is an expression of how many essences react when
placed together with others.

Truth is possible because it itself is a form. Truth is a finite complex little form which
effects things around it and is effected. Truth can exist in very complex forms, or in
simple forms. Just like a square or a circle, you don’t need to be perfect before you can
exist. All forms are “imperfect” to some degree. This isn’t the issue.

There is no duality of the thing in and of itself vs appearance.
All mental forces, qualities, experiences and degrees are forms.
Subjects and objects are both forms.

Dualism cannot be proven because the empty space between A and B is nothingness,
therefor it cannot exist or be expressed or described as anything.
Dualism cannot be proven because at most it offers a interpretation. It would require
itself to be monastic before it could encompass both sides of a particular force or subject.
If we are absolutely and truly devorced between A and B, there is no way we can reach
A and B both. The reason why a dualist can understand two sides, or more, is because
he is actually a monist capable of dual forms. Dual forms appear to exist, but they
are both forms, none the less.

Now i don’t expect everyone to understand, so if you have any questions on details feel free to ask.
To me it is very clear and simple.

insofar as i understand what i quote, i will also say i agree. but i think you should explain a lot more clearly what you mean by form. and i think monism is just an interpretation as well - one that makes more intuitive sense than dualism - but in the end still just an interpretation.

Thought is not literal. You have thoughts which symbolize life experiences and reality, which are brain chemistry and nerves, and those things are forms. Little atomic virtual reality devices. We express and explain but as you know, humans have their limits. Humans have a limited and finite capacity for truth, but what we do have is natural forms. We have a form of understanding that can be used. Nature selected it to exist for now at least, even though nature isn’t smart.

A non literal thing is a form, and a literal thing is also a form.
One is an image alone, the other is an object reflecting an image or naturally creating an image.

Modern knowledge is mostly synthesis of other people’s images and experiences, but,
this may not be actual experience, but it is still useful and popular. It is a form.

Did that clarify it or is it worse now?

You really made a typical mess of the whole thing. You should listen to Plato more often.

Here it is in the simple. A thing is any material difference in some form, ie. shape or limit.

Therefore, neither form nor material in that form is a thing.

Abstraction is the acquisition of one of these two elements, i.e. the two elements of every thing is form, i.e. limit, or divisior, etc etc, and some material in that form.

Predication is the inverse function of abstraction, i.e. in order to make an identity, we equate the name of a thing to the names of that things material differences and the forms limiting those differences. This means that there is always 2 spredicates–explicit or implied. This means that a sentence can have no predicates, or no subjects. John is Dave. No predicate, both subjects. John is a man. Subject predicates. A man is an animal. Predicate and predicate.

As Plato and Aristotle pointed out, you cannot predicate of a form or material difference. Description is not predication.

Now synonyms are absolute (form, not a difference) and relative. You cannot say the absolute is relative, as you did in your opening. Truth is perfect. You can predicate no difference of it. A mind, as Plato observed, that cannot keep these two primitive abstractions clear, and confuse them continually, is not awake.

Definition is the equating of these two naming conventions, while description leads one to something from which to make an abstraction.

Therefor, as those primitive Greeks tried to teach, of the three primitive categories of names, only one can be defined, the names of things. The names of forms and material differences must be learned by abstraction, ie experience, and until they are learned, one is not complying with the principles of language.

It is a binary. 0 and 1, a thing is 01.

Parmenides of Plato was an exercise to learn the principles of predication.

You cannot say there is only thought and no thinker. That would be unacceptable. Yet, you claim thought as that which creates and maintains you. Are there thoughts there? How do you look at thought? You can’t separate yourself from thought and look at it. All that is there is thought about thought. That is the divisive nature of thought as it splits itself in two giving the illusion of subject and object. There is only one thing there: thought. So if you really want to get to truth, you have to understand that there is no truth there, only thoughts and definitions. Just like the thoughts and definitions you have learned about thought itself.

Can you explain what you mean here?

  1. A “thing” is any material difference.
  2. A man is an animal. Predicate and predicate.
  3. You cannot predicate of a form or material difference.

So is an animal not a thing?

Why is a predicate not a (specific form of) description?

philosopher8659,

Are you talking about computer programming or grammar when you use the word ‘predicate?’ Grammatically, in the sentences you and Dan offer, the word ‘is’ is the predicate: i.e., John (subject) is (predicate) color-blind (object.)

I’d like us to be able to step through the language then sit down at the understanding and have a chat.

I’ll look at this more later.

Truth is a codependent, ever-changing fluid.
This doesn’t mean it’s all “subjective”. In fact dividing truth into two classes doesn’t work.
Forms are very social in their existence. Their existence is based on association.

Ancient humans knew that a deer would run away if it sees you, and that it was
meaty if you cooked and ate it. They knew nothing of atoms and cells.
Human knowledge isn’t about essence, or the basis of things.
Human knowledge is all about predicting associative dynamics, symbolically.
But, the human system is a form itself, therefor all truths are forms.