ILP

Let the doors be shut upon him, that he may play the fool no where but in ’s own house. Farewell.

why

Satyr is right.

satyr is right…in what way

In every way. :smiley:

I need to know this…help me phyllo before you leave…what is he saying that is so important

I gotta vomit this out before it kills me.

Imagine being free of the politically correct dogma. Imagine being free of the modern nihilistic crap. Imagine being free of trivial gibberish.

God that feels good. :character-hobbes:

I think that those things exist in the world, and that it’s up to the individual to determine the extent to which they buy in. You can ignore most of that stuff and live your life just fine, but I don’t think it’s healthy to hate things, or to polarize things such that one feels assured they’re certain about the way some things are. That’s when doors really start to close.

I am happy for you…sounds good…now how about that myth where the guy pushes the stone up the hill and then it falls down again…are you free…

Yes, be happy whenever a soul breaks free of ILP. :smiley:

"“Why this is hell, nor am I out of it”

Gosh, I hope it wasn’t anything that I said! [-o<

Oh well, another objectivist bites the dust. :banana-linedance:

Everything that you say is just your opinion. Nobody needs to take it seriously, :smiley:

Imagine that Iambiguous is the philosopher king of ILP. It’s not hard to do. :smiley:

No, everything that we say/think/believe is just a subjective opinion unless it can be demonstrated that what we say/think/believe is something that every rational human being should say/think/believe as well.

And not just regarding God.

Sure, go to Satyr. Go to his objectivist frame of mind. Become just one more rendition of this:

[b]1] For one reason or another [rooted largely in dasein], you are taught or come into contact with [through your upbringing, a friend, a book, an experience etc.] a worldview, a philosophy of life.

2] Over time, you become convinced that this perspective expresses and encompasses the most rational and objective truth. This truth then becomes increasingly more vital, more essential to you as a foundation, a justification, a celebration of all that is moral as opposed to immoral, rational as opposed to irrational.

3] Eventually, for some, they begin to bump into others who feel the same way; they may even begin to actively seek out folks similarly inclined to view the world in a particular way.

4] Some begin to share this philosophy with family, friends, colleagues, associates, Internet denizens; increasingly it becomes more and more a part of their life. It becomes, in other words, more intertwined in their personal relationships with others…it begins to bind them emotionally and psychologically.

5] As yet more time passes, they start to feel increasingly compelled not only to share their Truth with others but, in turn, to vigorously defend it against any and all detractors as well.

6] For some, it can reach the point where they are no longer able to realistically construe an argument that disputes their own as merely a difference of opinion; they see it instead as, for all intents and purposes, an attack on their intellectual integrity…on their very Self.

7] Finally, a stage is reached [again for some] where the original philosophical quest for truth, for wisdom has become so profoundly integrated into their self-identity [professionally, socially, psychologically, emotionally] defending it has less and less to do with philosophy at all. And certainly less and less to do with “logic”.[/b]

God knows I wish I could. :wink:

what happened to searching for the truth

It’s your subjective opinion since we can’t demonstrate to you that it’s not your subjective opinion. As long as you insist that it can’t be demonstrated, then you win… you are the philosopher king. :smiley:

Me, I’m just waiting to die. Waiting for godot as some say.

Looking for someone – anyone – who might possibly yank me up out of this:

If I am always of the opinion that 1] my own values are rooted in dasein and 2] that there are no objective values “I” can reach, then every time I make one particular moral/political leap, I am admitting that I might have gone in the other direction…or that I might just as well have gone in the other direction. Then “I” begins to fracture and fragment to the point there is nothing able to actually keep it all together. At least not with respect to choosing sides morally and politically.

Of course nobody takes this seriously. But, yeah, it really is true.

Anyway, if you ever do come upon an argument that is more persuasive than the one you have now by all means pass it along. With or without God.

Again, all I ever ask of folks is that the argument not just be something that they think/believe is true “in their head”.

What? The truth is out there. There is nothing to search for. :smiley:

yes it is out there…but people resist looking at it…they deny it