There is a very good article in the nation that lays out
the basis for the impeachment of bush lite.
It is at,
thenation.com/doc/20060130/holtzman
And the article does tie in the Nixon impeachment with
the reasons to impeach bush which are far greater and
more substantial then the bogus reason for the Clinton
impeachment.
Kropotkin
hopefully the democRATS will run full throttle on this issue…
-Imp
Pete, you’re gonna be really fucking bored once his term expires. 
Phaedrus:Pete, you’re gonna be really fucking bored once his term expires.
K: I admit this made me laugh. I survived Clinton’s 8 years quite nicely.
At my age, hating the GOP is about the only exercise I get these days.
Being bored at my age is the least of my problems.
Kropotkin
You’re exactly the flip side of the same record I heard all 8 years under Clinton. The same “we just gotta dig in and survive til he’s gone” stuff.
What will you complain about if a Democrat gets in? Probably how Republicans are blocking his greatness.
Pete you don’t have to answer this, but how old are you?
And don’t worry, once Bush is out… there’s always another one on the horizon.
Old_Gobbo:Pete you don’t have to answer this, but how old are you?
K: I am 46, soon to turn 47. I have a 21 year old daughter,
so I am aware of what is going on these days with you young uns.
Gobbo: “And don’t worry, once Bush is out… there’s always another one on the horizon.”
K: there is always a sucker born every minute to vote GOP.
I actually fall into the GOP demographics. Middle age male with family,
who’s has money (which means pays taxes up the wahzoo), lives in a very nice area, etc etc etc. But still I wouldn’t vote GOP.
I believe a society succeed or fails based on how it treats it
citizens. We do not exist as separate entities who go about the world
totally separate. I cannot succeed without help just as you cannot
succeed without help. If we fail our citizens, we fail ourselves.
To abandon the poor and needy with the words, “not my problem”
and “not my taxes” is to put money ahead of peoples lives.
I will not put money ahead of peoples lives, which is what the
gop does.
Kropotkin
Pete, I have a hard time believing someone your age is still so partisan. It’s really all just the GOP, neocons and conservatives, huh? They got this world into the pickle it’s in all by themselves? 
People like you, and by extension the demogues on the obverse side of the coin, are the reason there’s no chance that things will ever get better in the world. IMOHO at least. 
Phaedrus:Pete, I have a hard time believing someone your age is still so partisan. It’s really all just the GOP, neocons and conservatives, huh? They got this world into the pickle it’s in all by themselves?
“People like you, and by extension the demogues on the obverse side of the coin, are the reason there’s no chance that things will ever get better in the world. IMOHO at least.”
K: I have lived through several presidency, and the worst one has
been bush lite. I can only repeat myself at this point, so I won’t.
but I will say this, I cannot find a single positive thing this president
has brought to the table. Not one. He has been a disaster on every
single front. And in fact I offer you the chance to name one, ONE,
positive thing this brain dead fuck up has brought american or the world.
And the latest news is, he seems to have begun
the domestic spying program BEFORE 9/11. If you are ok
with the single worst president in American history, so be it.
I however will never accept this idiot
and will fight him to the end of my days.
Kropotkin
Blah blah blah. I’ve heard that about every president since I’ve been alive. And it will be said about all the rest. Do you honestly not ‘get’ that everyone who lives by partisan politics always feels that way about The Other Party? Set aside President Bush for the moment- is there any Republican you wouldn’t hate just as much?
What do you think when conservatives go on the same way about liberals? You and Coulter are really the same. Anyone that extreme almost has to be wrong…don’t they?
But no, I’m sure the idea that your political views could possibly be wrong is a notion utterly alien to your world view.
Fuck, I really hate politics.
BTW, unless your days are slated to end in three years, there’ll be no need to fight him to “the end of your days”. Unless you’re gonna find his house in 20 years and continue to shake your fist at him.
Phaedrus:Blah blah blah. I’ve heard that about every president since I’ve been alive. And it will be said about all the rest."
K: Well let us see. Nixon was one of the best foreign relations
president we have ever had. It was domestically that cause
him to have a few “Issues”. Ford was a non entity. Carter
ran into several problems. First of all, the bill from Vietnam
came due and the gas prices jump (because of Armand Hammer)
and some sort of little issue involving American hostages.
Reagan might be the most overrated president in history.
All I need to say is Iran-contra.
bush sr. actually had a reason to remove Saddam and he failed
miserably. Clinton, well clinton will rise to one of our better presidents.
Top half perhaps. I did not get into earlier presidents as that would
be ancient history. Although I survived the Vietnam war as a youth.
Kropotkin
Phaedrus:BTW, unless your days are slated to end in three years, there’ll be no need to fight him to “the end of your days”. Unless you’re gonna find his house in 20 years and continue to shake your fist at him.
K: I might find his house in 20 years and shake more then my fist at him.
I might just moon him.
Kropotkin
Hey, Pete, you know I agree with you (or maybe you don’t… if so I’d advise you to read some of my poltical threads)
The question is, how far down the rabbit hole have you gone?
Do you know exactly just how fucked up the Bush Family/The US really is?
I imagine you do, I was sort of out of my conspiracy theory mode for a while… but I’d be happy to get back into it if you want.
Pete, it’s so humorous to see you break down each president you survived thru your own very biased paritisan viewpoint. All the Dems just misunderstood, the Repubs evil or misguided. Is that really the limit to your political thinking?
Do you not see how people like you prevent real progress? Is it really possible that all you boys are good and all their boys are evil?
Could the world really be that way? [-o<
I do have to agree with Phaedrus, the dems are just as messed.
But the Bush Family and their entourage is on a whole other level, and they’re part of, if not a symbioant agent of the republican party. It’s for this reason the elephant is so green.
If I was knowledable about politics I would argue that every other term has been more on the level that Phaedrus is talking about, except for of course Seenya’ Bush’s reign of ‘terror’. The thing is, with the advent of technology as we’ve seen it in the last like… 8 years, it’s hard to compare presidential terms to past ones because things really are alot different, just from an information flow standpoint.
The reason we think and know Bush is so shitty is because we have the net.
You’ve got his number alright…
Believe me, I’ve tried to explain this all to him before, he’ll usually put up 2 posts worth of fight before retreating into his relativistic shell and just keep saying ‘what do you mean by …’ and ‘it’s a matter of opinion’ (and therefore I’ll think whatever I like, no matter how misguided)…
If you all feel I am wrong, so be it.
However my challenge still stands,
Point out one thing bush has done that has been
successful. I can point out Clinton many successes in 8 years,
for one over 22 million people entered the workforce.
Bush didn’t have one net job gain until after 4 years in office
the first president since hoover to have that on his resume.
As for the other presidents, I was very accurate in my assessment of them. Reagan outspent the Russians and drove them into bankruptcy
thus causing their collapse, (almost bankrupting us too, but…)
I did say that Nixon was one of the best foriegn relations president
we have ever had, that is hardly calling him evil or misguided,
and he did resign under a the very real threat of impeachment,
so the fact speak for themselves there. Can anyone name anything
ford did besides pardon nixon? Carter did have several problems, I
stated that and I mention the hostages. Bush Sr did have saddam
in his sights and he let political considerations take over, he loses
points for that, however can you name anything else bush sr. did?
My assessement was very clear and accurate.
As is my assessement of bush lite. So prove me wrong.
tell me anything he did that has been a success.
Kropotkin
Why bother, Peter? Your mind is made up. You can’t be bothered with the truth.
Pissing off liberals. What’s my prize?