this is a general response to your last post Gloominary:
I think the issue gets polarized/presented as binary and this makes it easy for everyone to not really have a discussion and to think the others are morons or evil. I like your posts generally because you are willing to present a strong case and have strong concerns without necessarily thinking that every single thing is as the most extreme conspiracy issue says it is. People on both sides (and really there should be many, many sides) often feel like they MUSt deny any point made by any on the opposing team. For example, the virus is not dangerous, but it was made intentionally, no one extra is dying, the reason it was made was for the precise purposes of - ending cash, controlling movement, vaccinating everyone (and the vaccines will be extremely dangerous) and so on. IOW if there is a problem, it is the totally controlled perfectly planned every step of the way conspiracy and everything in MSM is a lie. The anti-conspiracy theorists take the complete opposite position. It was a normally occuring virus, no one planned anything, all the steps being taken are rational and the best ones, no one is using this situation opportunistically, all the statistics in the MSM are correct, no one making any sense is marginalized or censored and so on.
This makes everyone clamp down hard and deny any validity to ANY point made by people they disagree with. Which is terrible for world communication.
For example:
Let’s say the disease was purely accidental and had nothing to do with the facility in Wuhan testing corona viruses on bats that had security problems and a whisteblower now disappeared and funding from Fauci. I can’t prove that it had anything to do with that facility and in an important sense it does not matter in relation to many issues. For example, 9/11. one does not have to think that was a conspiracy to consider that facets of the military industrial complex saw it as and used it as an opportunity to get more control of us. Openly via the Patriot Act and behind the scenes via the types of radical surveillance that for example got revealed by Snowdon.
Most of the people here who are anti-conspiracy theorists, seem to give not the least bit of concern to the possibility that Covid will be used by certain factions to change things in directions even most of the Left and Right would agree are bad directions. Nor can they seem to consider that factions might be skewing the numbers. To what degree is another issue. But a hard line in the sand is made. The disease is real, all measures being taken and planned are of good intent, the information about the numbers is generally correct, and so on.
You must not be concerned about how this situation may be used by fascist elements because then you are conspiracy theorist, even though we have non-controversial examples from history where this happens.
It’s like a marriage where both people think that if they concede anything, show the slightest consideration of any point made or any concern by the other partner might be valid and should not be mocked out of hand, then you are handing your wife or husband complete power in the relationship forever.
This is fucked up in both the marriage and public debate and there is tremendous fear being denied here. I am on the conspiracy theorist end of course, but I see this pattern on both sides, even ‘my own’. Any point not accepted by an opponent means they are completely stupid or evil.
This just not reflect reality. We do not have obvious demonstrable proof of everything. No one does. Which is why conspiracies can be successful but also why sometimes people assume conspiracy where there isn’t one. It is not like we have transparent power brokers and independent media with great access and resources. All the information everyone is getting is filtered and verification can be extremely complicated.
So people just assume that their sources are corrent and the case is made. Like here’s the link, there, duh proven. Or, here’s what is being said by the experts, there, duh. Accept the entire most extreme position now or you can’t read/listen.
Um, no.
It’s a problem for the individual, but it is also a problem in general. Because it means that potential alliances cannot form. Like there could be and I thinkt here should be a large faction that thinks the general MSM version of Covid is corrent BUTTTTTTTT…
at the same time they are concerned that the situation will be used by certain elements of power to make the world less deomcratic and give much more potential control of individuals to the hands of the few.
That was definitely the case in 9/11. Only a small minority at the time thought it was a conspiracy (including me) but a lot of people, especially after several months, became concerned about how the situation was being used. You don’t have to believe the conspiracy to worry about how an event can be used.
But now, with Covid, there is no faction that does not believe there is a conspiracy at the same time is extremely concerned about how the disease will be used.
And that is a fucking shame.