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Honestly… it’s India for crying out loud, their prime minister thinks fashion is wearing a dress with a life preserver over it.

But they are building a laser wall in places where it us impossible to build border fences.

We can’t even finish a concrete wall, despite proving the concept of interconnecting, module Alaskan Barriers in Iraq. When it comes to actually putting a wall up, the left goes cross eyed stupid. “Ohhhhh we can’t build a wall, it’s so hard and complicated, and the concept befuddles us. Lets just take the entire population of Sonora, Mexico in instead”.

Fucking lasers. Just like… why do we gotta do everything so added backwards. Just build the fucking wall first, we can worry about weak spots with the border security patrols after. There has never been put forth a good argument for not building a wall. They work pretty well around the world, sudden here in North America they will suddenly stop working? Bullshit.

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You don’t like Mexicans?

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My God Father was one, grew up in California. But that’s zero excuse not to have a security war, especially given the Mexicans have one, half the world uses them, but for some retarded reason we can’t.

Security walls

  1. Keeps violence from easily entering, and significantly hampers drug trafficking.

  2. Allows us to choose who immigrates

No good excuse to to have one. Once robotic automation improves, I’m for a Canadian one too. The whole racism stuff was always a fail, the right was always staunchly pro Cuban immigration, but that was our nation choice. The mesoamerican cooridor isn’t our choice, we didn’t make a conscious decision to have every cartel storm our border, anyone to walk over and claim citizenship. Now we got Wetbacks like Cruz sliding under the fence from Canada trying to take over our country, dammit. We need more walls!

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What about supply and demand? People obviously want drugs. Why is it ok for you to tell them they shouldn’t have them?

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Because they nearly killed my family with the stuff, destroy communities, inflict considerable theft and property damage, neglect the youth and spread disease through their needles.

Drug use is hardly a victimless crime, effecting just the user, hits us very hard as a community. Its why I openly support the court system castrating you. We had this discussion 50 times, it’s time we can accept you will continue to abuse drugs, and come up with poorly thought our counters, and that I will be part of the eventual counter stroke that brings the current drug culture down to it’s knees. If we can keep the drugs from being imported at a significant number, stop drugs like Meth being produced in residential areas (big explosions, sucks when the addicts have kids living with them when they cook it), and nail down the pill distribution from pharmacies in places like Florida and West Virginia, in 20 years it will be a very different picture.

I can’t stop weed growth (shit grows everywhere), but certain I can stop Meth. 100% certain, no longer doubt. Families don’t have to be destroyed by that shit. Walks can break drug cartels, and I know some medieval tech used to detect underground tunnels that can be very readily adapted (useful when your a historian as well as a philosopher)… that stuff is conceptually going to hit the public domain soon once I release it, Egyptians and Israelis will pounce on it, a product will come out, hopefully under $200 bucks.

I don’t understand why we gotta be so tarded. Part of me hopes Trump would win, if his team is scowering the net for solutions, Ill give them to you free. Slap that damn wall up, no more silly fucking excuses. What happens to illegals on our side of the birder once we have the wall up can be decided legally through Congress and the Presidency. Its time to end the Drug War in Mexico… your need to use drugs is far less than the Mexican need to break the drug cartels, or the US need to protect our lived ones and retake our cities from crime.

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If you think that weed and meth are anything like one another then you’re just wrong.

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Weed stinks bad. Do it in pill form, keep to yourself at least. And for crying out loud, don’t drive after smoking that crap… and no, you do not drive better.

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You’re a relatively smart guy. Don’t be so easily brainwashed. When you go off on a tangent on some line of thinking or another…ask yourself, “am I reciting a typical, misinformed political position in the standard, canned rhetorical form?”. If the answer is “yes”, well…you decide.

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No tangent, the shit stinks, and you drive horrible when you smoke it, get rather fucking stupid, with the rather annoying belief that you actually function better, when sober people around you know it’s obviously not the case.

Just, I don’t see a way to counter it coming up any time soon like with Meth and Coccain… it doesn’t leave behind a unique UV frequency as far as I know, and I don’t think a neiborhood watch can afford any of the electric sniffers they are coming out with, much less the priority cops would put into tracking down every pot smoker.

The harder drugs certainly can be nailed though, and much easier to motivate cops. We technically have 95% if not 100% of the tech to do it, just costs $6000 Buck in the best form of UV camera to do it. I think the tech can be substantially reduced to under a few hundred, adapted to a smartphone camera (clip on adapter). Much less perhaps.

A wall is very reasonable, can be manufactured in prisons piece by piece… quite simple and easy to move and Crane dropped into place, I’ve seen every stage of manufacturing and moving done.

And garden sheers in the hands of a God-Fearing, small town Judge down south can easily castrate you. I see no practical issues with getting these things physically done.

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I like this. Classic example of Mr Reasonable derailing and ruining a conversation about a topic he doesn’t like, but can’t win a debate on. Not sure why Turd played into it, but it’s a good illustration of why I ignore what MrR says 99% of the time.

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When do you think it is alright to set up a boundary?
In your own life/home and then interpersonally. Then at a state level.
Should we allow all immigration? If so it would be cheaper to eliminate the whole visa, border check thing entirely, just let free movement. Is that what is good`?

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Just out of curiosity, if you were a jihadi terrorist and wanted to infiltrate into the United State, would you do it from Mexico or from Canada?

So, maybe [just to be safe] we should build a wall up there too.

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I would do it via the Caribbean honestly.

Thats just me though. I would liberate a large yatch, put my own team on it, load it with weapons, dock off Haitilarge for shoreleave, and come onto shoreshoreleave in the US with full kit, ditch the boat somewhere, find my targets, plan it to my liking.

Coast Guard might notice a odd looking Syrian ship floating about, but whatever… I am not looking for a way back.

As to Mr. Reasonable Unni… you don’t win such arguments in the individual debate, but in consistency over the long haul. Its been hammered The War on Drugs has been a failure, impossible to change, and as a habitual drug user, Smears has every reason to believe so. It hasnt occured to the druggie left that there existed other possibilities, a change of strategy was all that was needed. Even if I won overwhelmingly a debate once on the topic, it would change nothing… its shoeing I have it for the long haul, that I can counter it at every turn, stand on my own two feet, take it for the long haul. Its impirtant to show people who want it to stop, but demoralized at the impissibility of the task that it isnt impossible, that the solutions are there, have always been right in front of us, just takes a little hard effort. If they see I have a thick skin, and am serious, they may increasingly be so too.

I have a plan, in twenty years, to completely suppress the trade of the hardest drugs. Its not unreasonable. Finish the wall, man that border. It helps the US and Mexico. Secondly, make it impossible for 99.9% of residential drug labs to continue to function, by giving neighborhood watches Ultraviolet Cameras able to see the frequency Meth, Crack, and Explosives leave residue at… the scientific work has already been done, we know the frequencies… we could of nailed the Boston bomber with it (he would of glowed). Its just absurdly expensive to get UV cameras to operate at that level for under $6000, I’ve already looked the field over. Its easier to make Infrared Thermal imaging adapters for smart phones (already being done by hobbyists), but taking the spectrum in the other direction… hard. But I seriously think it’s possible. I will do anything to see this project through. In twenty years, we can have it ended. If everyone in a neighborhood can point their smartphone at their block, and see the chemicals coming out of windows and plastering doors, then it’s worth it. It will make it a 1000% easier to convince a judge a said is warranted if he is up for selection and the video is on the news and YouTube. No right to Privacy argument us going to break a neighborhood watch from seeing your house light up like a Christmas tree under scanning.

Only device we have does it pinpoint, I need it to be full image. To reduce doubt. I need it affordable. It can be done.

So I welcome Smears. I welcome all arguments against it, but know, without any doubts, I will triumph. This is one of my central positions of advocacy as a philosopher, my ideas are intwined in it, my self worth as a individual rises or die with it. I don’t want any more communities to be destroyed, families torn apart. God dammit, I’m going to win, Even if I die broke and impoverished, laughing stock of all men… I will see to it the technological, legal, strategic and tactical components fall seemlessly into place.

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Why don’t you grow up and say something relevant to the thread? You’re just mad because you’re the forum’s prime example of a person who’s beliefs run perfectly parallel to the political cliches that I was talking about.

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We don’t need more mexicans, we already have taco bell.

mexicans are only invited if they come here with a certificate, without a certificate no dice.

when someone complains about a drug problem it is not usually weed, i dont think weed should be part of the drug war.

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crackheads and heroine addicts are not good for the neighborhood, they spread like a disease.

if there were more dodgeball gyms we would not have this problem, people would have meaning in their lives.

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Turd,

To provoke you further, do you not think that US should learn that from present Indian PM!
Whether he would be able to implement it completely or not, at least he has the will and guts to do that!

Your expert opinions please.

with love,
sanjay

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In fairness, most of that wall was built by his predecessors, and usually isn’t manned, like Roman Limes or the Korean DMZ (save in the far, far north in glacier country, which is stupid by the way). It has mobile units stationed to the rear… it’s why I keep reading of Pakistani commando raids on Indian positions, or Maoists not too long ago on positions in the north east… the distribution of armed towers from what I’ve seen of the LOC is pitiful, too far apart to be meaningful.

I can’t hammer Modi too much because he inherited a crappy army and a shitty border, but it can’t contain crap. My base was literally on the Euphrates River, so I know a river can be fortified. Cameras with infared need used, on two circuits, one left and one right of each tower, mounted ever 50 yards, with CCTV cameras ran by a headquarters building for every 10 towers… you can have the current Sargent on guard watching them all and a few big screen TVs, with a radioguy watching it all, doing radiochecks when the Sargent is out, checking the towers or changing out guys.

Concrete slabs, with Rebar, cabable of standing higher than a man can jump and reach the top, needs to completely line that wall… the stuff used to make concrete exists in nature, it exists on military land. Rebar does not, it needs bought. Guard Towers needs to be built, more than you man, and they need to fill triple the space… for every one tower they intend to man, one remains empty. Rotate the soldiers through these towers… except for absolutely crucial points, no tower gets manned over and over again. Have the soldiers when they have downtime make silhouettes of themselves, stick it in the towers at night to confuse the snipers or teams fording the river.

If India does it’s presence on the wall correctly, Pakistani Rangers will have a very hard time infiltrating the defence. Not impossible, just increasingly impractical. You need less guys on stick duty on the streets scaring civilians, and more in guard towers in border areas. Much of the cost of fortification on a top tier, western style defence can be achieved through shovel and ingenuity… cameras (made waterproof… a plastic welder can do this) and rebar cost money. Technically, a tower can be made from trees, but it’s questionable how much free lumber can be found all along the border, and it will eventually rot.

Chain Fence isn’t going to cut it, it just make guys like me scoff, knowing damn well I can break through it. A well fortified border is a different matter, especially if I’m uncertain which positions are manned at any given time, and one false move can cause the enemy command to rush troops out to man every point.

But Modi seems to be trying at times, I’m just… largely unimpressed with the current state of India’s defences. Yeah… I know modernizing is hard, but… some stuff isn’t.

Every battalion should have a basic 3-D printer… it can print parts for new printers (plastic parts at least), you just provide the motherboard. Really old weapons can be upgraded with plastic rail systems, holders for flash lights, for $1 red laser lights… I quite frankly am amazed how willing India is to be ass backwards when it comes to free upgrades. Every Indian police and military battalion needs access to a creap as fuck 3-D printer… period. Old rifles, as long as they aren’t worn out, can be made highly advanced looking and functional to western counterparts melting down plastic trash.

If I saw Modi even had the insight for this, I would be impressed with him. I don’t trust stupid nations that don’t take their defense seriously. Barack Missiles are impressive, a guy hiding in the dark with a poorly maintained, 100 year old rifle behind sandbags in his own station, afraid to leave in fear if being shot is not. Commandos running loose inside your air force bases is not.

If there was a solid defence, the temptation to assault would be substantially reduced. The Roman Army never ceased constantly making new bricks, preparing more forts, more roads, digging more canals. They did this while maintaining a LOC heavily fortified across England, Europe, Asia and Arabia and parts of Africa. No excuse. You might not be able to buy the cameras tomorrow, but you can start digging and fortifying spots with misused troops now. You can start mass upgrades and recycling programs on military bases to collect plastic now. This is achievable by even the poorest nations.

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Mexican wall needs to be one sided. We want no mexicans in, but mexicans are free to go out.
We accomplish this by making the interior side of the wall riveted, rather than adding ladders. With ladders, they think we want them to go out, and so they wont, to be defiant. But if it is riveted, they will think they found an “exploit” and spread the secret to all their friends, “outsmarting” us by jumping the fence.