…on the other hand, Injustice amongst humans may be justice amongst species. If humans are unjustly ravaging nature (overpopulation + increased lifespan + overconsumption/production (we each consume/produce hundreds/thousands of times more energy than we require), then whatever preys upon human beings (from a parasitical overclass/underclass to a cancer virus) is the personification of lady justice herself.
I’ve never considered dieseases or natural disasters to be unjust.
I’ve never considered dieseases or natural disasters to be unjust.
but have you considered mass murderers and serial killers to be unjust?
Yes as the killings are often not the result of benevolent intent and the results are likewise.
Justice is just a fancy name for certain archetypal fantasies - i.e. the revelation of the innocence of the hero or conversely the exacting of revenge against the bad guy.
Justice is what is Just.
I’m not sure how that relates, or what argument you’re making. Redness is what is red.
Exactly
Haha, ok. I don’t understand, but… ok.
You don’t understand what you just said?
SG, I don’t understand your point. Why did you say “justice is what is just”? Don’t be coy, come out with it.
Because Justice isn’t just a word.
If humanity can be likened to a disease, a cancer (see agent smith), if we’re committing crimes against nature by pillaging and plundering her, accumulating resources far beyond what is required to sustain ourselves, then could those who actively attempt to decrease our numbers, especially if they’re ecoterrorits, be considered to be restoring equilibrium, harmony and justice between the species… or no? Just a thought.
Not every human cmmits crimes against nature, so just randomly killing people doesn’t help that.
I think what Stoic is trying to say is: justice is an elementary metaphysical property, like red is an elementary sensual property. Unlike table, which is made up of many things (4 wooden wooden legs, a wooden top), red isn’t made up of anything but red, so not much can be said about it, other than it exists and it’s a color, and according to Stoic, the same goes for justice. it is what it is, it can’t be reduced, you either see it/get it or you don’t.
Every human that drives a car, could be said to be committing crimes against nature. Do you have any idea how much energy we squander? We’re a decadent, decadent lot, a terribly, terribly inefficient species, for the now. Virtually every human drives a car, or will drive a care at some point.
But humans likewise are part of nature, as wild fires burn an entire forest that may have been choked with too many trees or a terrible topsoil, in time it is replace by newer shrubs and then newer trees. Humans have the capability to temporarily ruin the planet, more so for themselves than the Earth itself. But haven’t really come acrossed a way too destroy it completely.
The danger of human actions on the planet aren’t that we’ll destroy the earth, it is that we could change it so drastically it makes it impossible for us or a majority of us to survive in a changed world.
That’s not necessarily true, humans may be on the cusp of devising a way to destroy the earth entirely, take a look at that atom smasher, cern, I believe it’s called, it’s been admitted that the experiments they’re doing there, could generate a black hole that would siphon the earth.
Anyway, you bring up a descent point, perhaps life will grow back stronger, who can say for sure. I’m temporarily stumped, I’ll get back to you if I can come up with a counterargument. Hmmm, the thing about wild fires is, they end, human population growth doesn’t end, unless we put a stop to it, if we don’t, rain forests could be irrevocably damaged, which would almost certainly have dire reprocussions for humans, wild fires don’t put rain forests in that kind of jeopardy, you can’t really make that comparison.
Yeah my cousin told me about that, I doubt whether it’'s true in practice though, As no sane human being would conduct experiments if a result could be the destruction of the Earth.
Human are part of nature and the same rules apply, if population continues to grow at such a vast rate mass starvations and Resource wars are the only outcome and theres no telling how many people would be killed in a conflict where survival means victory in battle, even the cowards would have too fight.