Insanity & Women: Your Two Cents

This topic is regarding Matthew E. and his self proclaimed need for relationship advice. Enter at your own risk!

To begin…

I often hear insanity defined as, “repeatedly engaging in the same activity and expecting a different outcome.” I find myself realizing a pattern in my relationships, to the point where I am beginning to think I need to change my habits if I desire to have long term results. My problem (I think) is that I often find myself “pushing away” women once I begin expressing that I care for them. As of now, my relationships tend to last 6-10 months if I haven’t elected to break things off earlier.

With my last girlfriend, it took a few months for me to “fall” for her. During that time, I was my usual charming and witty self, but with a dash of “I don’t give a shit.” Like clock-work, as soon as I lose that “I don’t give a shit” attitude, it’s lights out on the relationship. This same pattern has resonated through previous relationships as well.

I suppose this is my question: To keep a long term relationship, am I to keep from ever expressing that I care? I have these idealized notions that I will be able to share every thought I have with my girl, especially pertaining to how much I care for her, without the girl running for the hills (or into the arms of De’Trop).

My parents are still together, and simply tell me that it’s the girl- not me. That one day, when the right gal comes running along, she’ll reciprocate every expression of love that I do. Oh, the cheerfulness of parents… I loathe it at times like these.

My friends are split down the middle: the men tell me to keep a lid on it, the women tell me to let it out. As a result, I tend to be very skepitcal of women who give relationship advice.

I’d like to state that I’m not laying it on too thick or obsessively over-doing it. I don’t become a wimpering man-boy that “needs” to be with his girlfriend because of gross insecurities. Far from it. Nothing changes, except that I begin to do what would be considered “nice things” for her. Things that I want to do. Things my father would do for my mom. I should also mention that when/if there is argument, I tend to handle it in a more caring fashion as opposed to the “I don’t give a shit” attitude. I think these actions are perceived as weak or not masculine and so therefore kill the attraction that had once thrived. Perhaps 6-10 months is just too soon to begin making such gestures. If so, when is a good time? Years?

Of course, I could just never do any of the characteristic “nice” things that historically give me problems. Unfortunately another issue then arises: I don’t feel “connected” as much as I would like to be. I feel as though I’m just controlling the situation. It becomes exceeding benign and insincere at that point. I seek the closeness my parents and several friends have in their relationships, but can’t seem to make that leap for reasons unbeknownst to me.

Of course, it is entirely possible that I don’t have a healthy outlook on relationships; that I am the one who is missing the train and needs to adjust. Or, that this is the gross reality- that I I will only be able to open up at very select and few moments.

I’m curious what you folks think, especially the married ones. When/how was that bridge crossed in your relationship? Or was it ever?

I’m by far the wrong person to ask about this… as I’m (unfortunately) more of a 1 night stand guy…

but in all of these relationships are you generally with the same type of girl? Not in looks but do they have the same general attitude? Personally I found that carrying over from High School I tended to try and attract women-… no girls who are attracted to he guys that don’t really care. They’re all about the chase, and the feeling of infatuation rather than love and companionship.

I’m not saying this is the case for you, you could very well be dating a variety of different women.

Also, I hate to be the one to say this but if its taking 7-10 months before you feel comfortable being a ‘nice’ caring BF then it may in fact be the women you are choosing/attracting.

To this I sympasize as I tend to attract the wrong type as well… the comedic audience if you will.

Cheers to you OG. I never really got into that. Tried it a couple of times, usually while inebriated. I’d usually find myself preferring to pass out.

They are similar in that they are very indepent, usually driven girls. They tend to get a lot of male attention. I would agree that some of the earlier ones may have just liked the chase, but not the most recent one. She was older, and looking to settle down. I still talk to her, but have resorted to the I don’t give a shit attitude, which I think is slowly repairing the damage that being nice and caring did. Oh the irony.

This could be true, however if I am that nice and caring boyfriend from the beginning, it doesn’t last long.

Isn’t it tragic that what you attract and what you want are different? Don’t get me wrong, I’ve been with some attractive women, but it’s more of the personality that I can’t seem to find.

Tell me your age, and I’ll tell you your fortune…

Can I get mine too?

21

Over the course of several thousand years, you become what will be called a Homo Sapien.

How old was the girl?

A

Hey my kind has been around for that long and we’re still stayin original :wink:

She just turned 28.

That’s because your kind is prone to having flings, which promotes steady population growth. Wait until something called religion comes along.

Well, we have Jesus…

But he’s a fish that thinks he’s a monkey.

I’m tellin ya, his whole ‘walk on water’ thing wasn’t all that impressive.

Why don’t you try being expressive from the beginning?

Some women are drawn to the bad boy type, we’re simply playing into our psychology of how we think men are supposed to be. That when you become more loving and more attentive, there is something that prevents them from feeling loved because it is outside of their psychological experience. In that case I’m sorry to say, it is likely that it’s not love (true love that is) and it’s best to let her go and sort out her issues.

Your parents are right, it’s the girl but also your psychology is to behave in a certain way to attract a certain type of girl. If you were more attentive from the beginning, you would attract a more real relationship.

Dr. Angel

Gobbo,

While I can respect and appreciate your keen sense of humor, I have come to realize that it is the fulcrum of my contribution to the hijacking of my very own thread.

We must stop, or I may never have a prosperous, beneficial, long-term relationship.

I really think liquidangel is onto something; let us not distract her.

'Lo and behold.

You may be right Liquid. I need to digest your analysis a bit more.

Matthew,

Fair enough :smiley:

Let us listen to Angel O:)

… she’s usually right.

btw, let me just throw this out there: But is it just flat our harder for us ‘philosophers’ to meet people, or is that just some illusion I’m clinging onto?

:laughing:

It’s an illusion.

A

Does a Tom Sawyer ‘aww shucks’ armswing

It’s not an illusion in the sense that if you begin speaking about philosophy to the majority of girls (heck, the majority of people) it overloads their minds or bores them to death.

When I was seriously reading and thinking about philosophy, I didn’t date as much because I didn’t care to have the socially normal conversations that are required of courting. Listen to the cadence of the previous sentence for instance- I almost put myself to sleep with that drab arrangement of words. Speaking like a philosopher doesn’t help with girls, unless you’re speaking with a girl that is equally interested in philosophy, which is rare (as it is with both genders).

Unfortunately, it’s very difficult to turn off the “philosophy switch,” so I would have to argue that it does make it more difficult to meet women, as you’re alienating yourself from the majority.

Yeah that’s why I joke around so much in real life, because otherwise I would start saying things like ‘Well, guys let’s analyze what coach said under a more subjectivist context… etc’ and I wouldn’t be part of the conversation for very long.

As you can see it carries over to the message board, but I suppose I am grateful for some sort of societal loophole.

Anyways… back to you #-o