Instructions; for making physically immortal humans…
Take a fully intact piece of your DNA [or loads of them] and keep safe. When you are dead, get your doctor or program your future 3D printer] to place it in and egg with all its own DNA taken out, and make/grow an exact copy ~ not a clone.
Make movies, take loads of pictures and record as much info about yourself as needs be. Imagine death being like an accident where you lose all your memory, and so your family and friends etc need to remind you of who you are. Become you again.
Given that as we live in an informational universe, and that what makes you – you, is the correlation between the given set of informations and form, the above procedure should do all the same things as it takes to have made you in the first place.
Yes, but I suspect you'd have to be wealthy beyond imagination to afford that. The trade in body parts is already very viable. The average wage earner may need to put away most of his earnings to be able to make it feasible, and I am sure there never be an insurance to cover that.
So down the line the evolutionary theory supporting the immortality of the very rich, may in fact happen.
But given that, what will these immortals amuse themselves with? Supposing that they will not develop beyond their prime,and will probably be the best physical specimens around, will the life reduce to a perpetual hedonistic pursuit? Will they war among each other for power, control, more possession?
I sorrily think, that this is very possible in the not too far distance, but I don’t think it will be allowed.
I don’t see how this would protect YOU from non-existence. I mean, ‘we’ might experience someone quite a bit like you, say as close as a single egg twin is, but YOU would not go on experiencing. I mean unless a very important process is missing from this project, like reincarnation.
I’d like to be magically cured, assuming I have a life to go back to outside of the hospital, but as obe implied the imoratality you speak of is very messy, so I wouldn’t consent to them preparing such an ‘immortality’ kit even if it was free, so non-existence would be preferable.
I don’t believe in reincarnation, but I do believe that the ambiguity of all conscepts is so complete that it can even include the conscept of one’s life, therefor whether I even am alive now is ambiguous; is that what you were trying to say below?
I think in terms of the existensial ‘project’, my project isn’t so well defined as work, family, retirement, but it certainly doesn’t involve growing in a labratory.
Atm yes, but with the potential evolution of technology, 3D printing etc, organs etc may eventually be a push of a button away. A basic 3d printer can be bought for around £1,000 today, though they aren’t very sophisticated. It is only a matter of time until they are.
Well yes, the immortals may become dinosaurs of evolution, with every new generation being up with the new ideas floating around. I wonder if such is the reason for death and rebirth. It may get very difficult to stop/be allowed. Someone always bypasses the system.
I should reiterate that my point was more philosophical than practical; would we want this, is this what life is about, and that if we are either nothing or something beyond the material, what does that say about us, destiny and what it is all about? I like to think the whole thing is an effort to continually create anew.
Moreno
Hmm good point, but the means by which you experience would be replicated, no? Imagine if spirit is like an ocean, and then informations correlate to create personhood manifesting that in form. Or would you envision some other vehicle to how consciousness arises? I am kinda seeing the whole thing from the ground up here.
Stuartp523
Nothing may indeed be the only reasonable answer.
Yes something like that, but more that just as materialist reduce everything to the physical, one can ontologically reduce what we are outside of that only. It’s a conundrum and that’s how i kinda like it.
A blank responce to my posts is always forthcoming or respectable even though I at times will get frantic and wave my arms back and forth begging for attention.
You seem to be missing a very valuable piece of Something Else here, amorphos, which I can’t quite put my finger on.
You can’t become you again, if you lose your memory, simply by your family and friends reminding you of who you are. That would not be the you who you really are. Despite DNA, you will be a new experience of self since self is in a constant state of flow, of flux, the non-embodiment of amorphosness.
Each of us is flow or a new moment in time. You would be like a pristine landscape to yourself which you are visiting for the first time - but a landscape which has been there nevertheless…one to be discovered - not rediscovered. Remember, we cannot really walk into the same river twice, though it might appear to be as though we can.
Existentially speaking, at times I might intuit myself as growing in a laboratory ~ which might be called the world or the universe. I am both scientist and specimen - the observer and the observed ~ to myself. And my world is a giant microscope within which I am seen and grow.
I notice references to the charlatan, Richard Dawkins – no mention here of his flawed book. What I would like to bring out is the very existential concept of a spirit and soul. Sure, not everyone has felt physical manifestations of what their ‘spirit’ is, let alone their ‘soul’ (the attributor to an afterlife), but rest assured many have… Never to the extent of being scientifically proven for this is all within the higher entities’ plan – rest assured.
Sure, you may dream of being self-replicated, pretty stupid if you ask me as there is no way known (in theoretical knowledge) to transfer an exact replica of your thoughts upon death. Such a copy would be a SEVERELY low grade version of you, utterly prone to new ideas in its environment and hence not you.
Think of dark matter… Yes, elusive dark matter that encompasses 90% of the universe – where do you think alternate realities, god, higher sentience and spirits lay? The universe started at a pin prick point of a singularity and yet this condensed mass expanded to the WHOLE WIDE COSMOS. You are in effect essentially empty space when you compare volumes, and it is highly likely there is material/matter/mass passing right through you that does not react with the matter as we know it. Think of a spider web, it rains on it, water passes through it, yet its molecular structure is still intact. If the spider web is our reality, we can see God (higher entities) as the spider interacting with our reality in a one way stream. That is, other realities (the unseen) may be able to have an effect on our reality without us knowing (we are comprised mainly of empty space – think of an electron distribution cloud).
If you really want to be physically immortal (again, ETERNAL life being a childhood fantasy – talk about prolonging) I would recommend researching vastly about the paranormal from accrued human lore (a established certainty in some cases) and then adhering to the demands of a higher force on how we should live our life in order to be guaranteed an afterlife, mayhap in a different dark matter universe upon point of death.
This is just my theory, so don’t take me on it. Printing a copy of yourself seems very juvenile, at least for the next 2000 years.
Perhaps, yet it could be possible to copy the information set of the brain and place it in the new form. I was thinking as like i said, in terms of someone learning who they are again after huge memory loss. I know that doesn’t always work out, but can we not state as fact that everything we are may be constructed/reconstructed!!!
‘You’, as with your latter ‘lab’ growth analogy, is ‘made’ from fertilisation of the egg onwards. The self and your personality is assumedly some manner of jedi mind trick the brain plays upon itself, but either way can be potentially duplicated.
This leaves the said conundrum, you could theoretically make two exact same physical beings, so which one would be the immortal you?
This says two things, that it is probably wrong to assume that who we truly are may be found in the vehicle/bodily form. Or that there is no experience nor perceiver right there reading this!
I tend to think that we can exist then not exist in a moment [see the edit in my latest thread [meet the Andruids] concerning the functions within perception].