intellectually defunct commies

So, far I have come across a few of them here… and I thought I would be nice and help them out by updating or correcting there world view with something more accurate while preserving what they do have right.

http://www.agorism.info/AgoristClassTheory.pdf

Please read, and let the debate begin you commie bastards LOL

First; upgrade when doing a PDF. Man those suckers take forever to download on dial up… this is an international site, not all of us have high speed hookup. So I can not wait for the download,It has already been 10 minutes.

Second: I am a dead set capitalist but, I respect Communists. Their Ideals are heartwarming, hopeful and to be admired. Communism can’t work for the same reason Capitalism can’t work, the human factor.

If you want to be bloodthirsty over politics or economics take it to the source. Figure out the wrongs and make them right. Don’t slam the followers. Slam the defunct properties.

I notice the commies go into all the threads to debunk other peoples beliefs.

Are they too cowardly to defend there own?

i tried to read it but my brain started to hurt before the first page was over… so much slander

Well skip to the part where he supports some of your beliefs.

I wonder if you think I’m a commie?

I’d be careful about people making sweeping generalizations about ideologies…isn’t that right, Herr Psychochristian?

what do you want to discuss?

I do observe people on this site using this tactic, but are they commies for doing so? :-k that is rather a sweeping statement to make, and therefore might not be applicable to all offenders of said debunking!

:laughing: I have witnessed that offence occuring too: selective memory/reading - but they are the one’s who are insecure in themselves!

Ah, agorist class theory.

Read the link in the op and defend your belief or become an agorist.

Libertarians recognize that there is nothing inherently “exploitative” inany genuinely voluntary agreement, such as agreeing to work for a wage. Likewise, there isn’t anything virtuous in subtly coercing compliance with demands for labor to be performed on dictated terms,including wage rates. page 5------ libertarians fail to recognize that the exploitation arises from the fact that the labourer receives only a fraction of what he or she produces back

“only rightist kooks and commies talk about ruling classes and class structures,”— this is mentioned several times… it just displays the flaws of american intellectual society.

also the state theory is wrong. the state is simply a mechanism comprised of one or more organs which uses “legal” prospective violence or force in order to maintain the political system’s status quo( that’s my little counter theory to that state theory,unfortunately it’s not particularly marxist as marx didn’t come up with one for various possible reasons)

Scientists, managers, even civil servants do not merely acceptbribes and favors but actively seek second, unreported employment in the ‘black market.’ And the more ‘socialist’ the State, the bigger the ‘black work’ or ‘underground’ component of the economy. … ---- (just tell me what this is based on, so i can agree with you)

black marketers are just thieves. also i want to emphasise that this paper is extremely american-centric which takes away from it “universal” credibility

This class unity is not that of a workers’ class (though workers are
heavily involved) nor of a capitalist class (though capitalists are involved) nor even of a ruling class — this class is based on the commonality of risk�, arising from a common source (the State)And risk is not proletarian (or particularly capitalist); it is purely
entrepreneurial------ (very scientific. maybe you can lump everyone together in a class if they breathe or have the same colour eyes or are compassionate :laughing:)

Socialism, including Marxist variants, is just another dogma used to justify the State’s existence, and it is one of the most appealing.-( there is no other feasible solution to the existence of the State, a necessary evil, but that is of course another debate which i’ll gladly participate in)

Agorist Solution: The Counter-Economic class cannot work against its interests as long as it is acting counter-economically. Those supporting statists politically have internal psychological problems without doubt, but as a class, these acts dampen the weakening of the State marginally.(Someone who earns $60,000 tax-free and contributes up to $3000 politically is a net revolutionary by several thousand dollars, several hundred percent!)---- so dismantling by the state will be achieved by “illegal” income and stealing from public coffers?

Marxist Problem: The class line blurs with time — against prediction
Agorist Solution: Class lines sharpen with time — as predicted( only supporters of capitalism maintain that class lines blurs with times. if it is meant by thinner class differences as the working class can afford a basic level of subsistence not possible in the 18th and 19th century, that is only due to class action such as the trade unionist movement and political weight of the left :wink: )

so agorism is basically anarcho capitalism? first we must discuss the theory of state( and acknowledge that no marxist states have ever really existed in the first place… the conditions for marxism are not ripe yet)

i didn’t read in detail after the second part(except the solutions and the so called application of agorist theory :stuck_out_tongue:) because i thought it was a bit too “senstationalist” for my tastes.

p.s. there was something wrong with the message because i couldn’t post all of the text( something about SQL text in row being too much or some shit like that)