Intelligence and knowledge are developed or evolve as a byproduct of experience and the use of memory
by a being during an expansive or evolutionary stage of existence.
In the stages of existence where there are no organic forms, objective experiences, and beings yet…there is
no intelligence or knowledge. It’s not hiding anywhere waiting to be uncovered.
No beings + no experiences = no memories = no intelligence and no knowledge (yet)
We remember and organize our memories into a useful system as we evolve along (after there’s a ‘we’ to do this).
There was no image or seed of an image of an automobile in the radiation
as a zip file waiting to be unzipped as soon as someone evolves enough to unzip it.
Knowledge is created and developed through the organization of memory.
Whether it’s fron an experience or reading a Blog…someone had an experience to remember and organize…
knowledge does not ‘big bang’ out of thin air.
What is a ‘form’? (‘form’ indicating they are formed/created, and are not ‘always present’ or eternal)
In reality as Albert has shown us…it is a temporary compression of energy in a repetitive pattern.
It looks stable but it’s actually energy moving in a temporary pattern.
Our universe is expanding at approximately 1.8 times the speed of light.
The Earth revolves around the Sun at a speed of about 18.5 miles/sec.
The Earth is spinning around its axis at a speed of about 1040 miles/hr.
Not to mention Each day about 50 billion cells in our body are replaced.
Everything is in flux.
Even our ‘thought forms’ are a very subtle electrical energy in a repetitive pattern.
Existence is an always moving whole.
There are no other places to store or hide any of the temporary configurations of existence for eternity
or to be more precise to make them ‘always present’…
Since all forms have a beginning or a point where they are ‘formed’
they come and go like every other formation of existence when it stops expanding and goes back to a primal state.
( Plato was wrong but superstition was rampent back then…there are no ‘stored forms’ or ‘seeds of forms’ outside of existence ).
there is no place outside of existence…it is always whole and present…it IS reality.
During the ice age was the construction of an automobile possible? Yes. All material was present at the time. The ability to construct an automobile existed.
All of the materials are now present to create an automobile. The only difference between now and then is the physical manifestation of the automobile. As all the material was present the knowledge was present. If the knowledge was present then the existence was present through the knowledge.
Even simpler. During the ice age was there gravity? Yes. Was the knowledge of gravity existent during the ice age? Absolutely. Gravity can not exists without gravity functioning. The knowledge and function of gravity must exist if gravity is to exist. You can not have one without the other.
Let’s check your statement on the issue of gravity:
No beings + no experiences = no memories = no intelligence and no knowledge (yet)
No people + no experience = no memories = no knowledge of gravity
Okay, so if the knowledge of gravity does not exist, then was gravity not acting in accordance with:
Gravitational force = (G * m1 * m2) / (d2)
That is knowledge of gravity. If that knowledge did not exist what laws was gravity following? None?
I hate to burst your bubble, but if something exists the knowledge also exists. If something can be manufactured the knowledge exists. It does not matter if life has figured it out or not, it exists. Anything you can imagine to create or will be created in the future, the knowledge exists in this moment. Long before we cloned anything the knowledge of how to clone exist. Knowledge is discovered, ability is unveiled to us from existence.
Obviously your definition of the word ‘knowledge’ is different from mine and a dictionary.
The dictionary lines up with my definition which involves experience, memory, and mental organization.
Dictionary says:
The state or fact of knowing.
Familiarity, awareness, or understanding gained through experience or study.
The sum or range of what has been perceived, discovered, or learned.
Learning; erudition: teachers of great knowledge.
Specific information about something.
So please share what you mean by ‘knowledge’.
I think you’re confusing the idea of potential or probability with ‘knowledge’.
Then, as much as I like you Absurd, I have t say
“it makes no sense”.
Where is the logic behind your proposition?
Even the word ‘knowledge’ a derivative of the word ‘know’ implys an objective relationhip.
Getting to ‘know’ through an experience of some sort…in oter words a…
PROCESS.
A ‘process’ is linear…it starts…happens…and is completed.
Existence never had a starting point.
So any ‘linear’ activity…patterns, forms, memory, intelligence, knowledge, beings
is not ‘always present’.
There’s is no such thing as the FUTURE.
There is no mysterious place outside of NOW/existence called the ‘future’ where everything that will ever be created is stored and can be accessed now in the ‘present’. Existence moves as one whole being within itself.
Existence is ‘always present’
but the patterns created by it’s repetitive behavior is not.
Knowledge is not discovered and beyond ourselves it is nothing.
There is nothing intelligent or knowledgable about the cosmos.
Knowledge is purely imagined and fabricated as a instrumentation of survival, control and used as a means of gaining power.
Since there is no knowledge to be discovered in the cosmos and since existence itself is non-thinking what we are left with is a product of hysterical imagination.
What’s funny to me is…
I studied all the major religions…was a Christian…
Zen Buddhist…etc…rejected all that because I felt every organized religion
has the premise that we are somehow ‘wrong’/damaged goods built into their language.
So I embraced science and in particular quantum physics for a language free of
agendas other than the ‘truth’ and what ‘works’.
Built my whole thesis around existence being an impersonal cause and effect energy
only to get to a point where i had to accept that this energy was somehow ‘conscious’
of it’s existence outside of our subjective type consciousness gained through an objective
existence.
Only to find this same idea was taught over 3500 years ago verbally as hymns before
man had iron weapons.
LOL
Philosophy was my last stop to make sure my presentation was structured logically.
(even though most philosophers aren’t concerned with the pragmatic part…LOL)
We could never ever develope a langauge without having adaptations, that gave us massive information about the environment, without ever having to learn it ourselves.
We come born with an innate sense of physics, psychology and animal groupings.
“Learning” is not a word for anything at all, it doesn’t describe a step by step process, its a vauge, general term, that doesn’t mean anything useful. As noted in the adapted mind, one day the notion of ‘learning’ will be replaced by a true understanding of the casual mechanism/interactions between innate mental mechanisms and environmental input.
Either way, we’re born with massive information about the environment, ,which is innate, ntohing could ever ‘develope’ otherwise.
“Then, as much as I like you Absurd, I have t say
“it makes no sense”.
Where is the logic behind your proposition?”
When I wake in the morning and open my eyes the objects in my room do not appear at that moment. I have not created the objects in my room by opening my eyes. The items were there long before I awoke. This is the same with knowledge. I became aware of the information but the information has been there in existence. As long as a something exist, will exist or has existed the information has existed also. It is through this information that it is an existent. You seem to only focus on the physical manifestation but long before its physical form something exists.
From my new post maybe this will add clarity to my position:
We’ve had lots of conversation about ‘is’ lately (well after all, this IS philosophy (pun intended))
I propose there is an underlying problem being (no pun there) a factual misunderstanding of 'existence’and ‘what exists’
and that’s what muddies the water of clarity.
As humans we are used to an objective reality where we base our language on
this objective world being ‘existence’. So when you see an object…it is ‘existing’ until “it doesn’t exist”.
This language bias creates all kind of confusion and leads
to errant philosophical propositions like ‘things exist’ and then ‘they don’t exist’ therefore
there is a place somewhere besides existence.
Albert E taught us that all matter is compressed energy and now we know it gets even weirder than that but to stay on point our language of ‘things’ and their relation to
existence (always present life) would be more accurate if we were to express it this way…
express the word ‘thing’ in a more factual way like …
‘existence temporarily moving in a particular similar pattern’
I know that’s a ridiculous mouthful but are you grasping my gist?
‘Things’ in and of themselves never ‘exist’. What we call ‘things’ are actually the repetitive movement of existence.
All these movements from dark energy points or whatever to quarks to galaxies…
existence in movement/vibration.
I believe this clarity would resolve a lot of semantic paradoxes with the word ‘is’.
It must not be all that inherent considering that it must be learned or taught.
It must not be all that inherent considering that after a certain age you lose the ability to learn any language altogether if you haven’t already learned one.
There is no proof for innate knowledge structures.
There is such a thing as innnate instincts but that is quite a different thing.
About the only thing that is innate in a new born is the suckling of a mother’s tit along with an aversion to pain.
I agree with Cyrene, and I have said this many times before ‘we all have innate knowledge to a greater or lesser degree’ tahn others… Most people are aware of this / the divide between their innate and learned knowledge - we used to discuss this self-same issue at college: where some would find a certain subject easier/had an inherant appitude more-so than the rest of us.
We are accepted our gifts/failings/fate, with certain glee…
I can just see it now: Dozens of infants born everyday miraculously knowing what 1+1 is and the English alphabet all on their own innately without any external motivation or stimulus.
Dozens of infants born everyday understanding syllables and complex vowel structures in language miraculously innately on their own.
( Everything being stated in this post being the basic framework of knowledge or intelligence.)
